Abortion Clinic

[TreeStandBowHunter]

This isin't really worth being a thread but I thought I would post it anyway...hey...it's another check in the box towards Monster Buck http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Anyway, I been here up here in Mass for about 5 months I guess now. I just realized today that right around the corner from work is a Abortion Clinic. I noticed it because we went out for lunch and when we passed, there were about 8 or so protesters out in front. What caught my eye was a person dressed in a grim reaper outfit http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif. I thought it was pretty funny. The place is actually called Worcester Planned Parenthood...which is obviously an abortion clinic. Just thought I would share...I never realized that there before http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif You ever do that...drive past something for a long time and then one time out of the blue realize that it even exsisted http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Yeah whatever, you guys are boring too with some of your threads some of you come up withhttp://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gifj/k

[carbonhunter]

We have a few planned parenthoods around here, but none of them are abortion clinics. They offer differant options, but all run on pro-life policies.

[TreeStandBowHunter]

Well, I am not a betting man but if I was, I would say that this is indeed an abortion clinic. Why else would you have protesters out there http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif Plus this is Massachusetts so it has to be....these people are weird up here http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[stevebeilgard]

planned parenthood? isn't planned murder a bit closer. seems more women become murderers than parents.

[carbonhunter]

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Well, I am not a betting man but if I was, I would say that this is indeed an abortion clinic. Why else would you have protesters out there http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif Plus this is Massachusetts so it has to be....these people are weird up here http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

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The ones I speak of are dead in the heart of Ohio's bible belt, I can promise no abortions are being done there. Im sure each state has its own priorities.....and like you said it is Mass.

[wtnhunt]

Have obliviously driven past places I never knew were there many times. In all my years of driving dont recall ever noticing any abortion clinics anywhere though.

[muggs]

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planned parenthood? isn't planned murder a bit closer. seems more women become murderers than parents.

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what the??? Man, if there was ever a time someone should keep there opinions to themselves, I think this is it. http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif

[slugshooter]

Planned Parenthood and an abortion clinic are two completely different entities. One counsels young mothers, unwed or otherwise, as to their options as far as giving birth to the child, putting the child up for adoption, or having an abortion. The other one just performs the actual abortions.

I'll never in my life figure out why the conservatives are so against a group that is there to assist a pregnant woman as to her options regarding the child she is carrying. I guess they feel that the only organization that would be worth supporting in the neo-cons eyes is one that tells a young mother to be to keep the child and deal with it because she could have said no. But that isn't always the case.

[TreeStandBowHunter]

Nope, it's official...it's an abortion clinic. Wow, how can that be Slugshooter...I thought you said that they were two different things. Well, I guess not here http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif.

I figured it was, why else would they have protesters out there. It doesn't take a genius to figure that out.

I guess they counsel and murder there http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[IowaDeerHunter]

We have one about 45 miles from here. It is an abortion clinic. http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif

[Strut_Buster]

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planned parenthood? isn't planned murder a bit closer. seems more women become murderers than parents.

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Hmm... I like to take the middle ground on these instutuions. I'm pro choice to an extent. If the woman is pregnant for 3 months she should be forced to have the child unless its gonna kill her.

As we all know not everyone keeps their chast till marriage. Young girls make mistakes. This is why these institutions are pivitol. If a girl is having serious though about having sex. She has a place to obtain birth control and maybe another person to talk to about sex before she goes on with it.

I'm sory if i offend you pro life people. I'm in the middle on this. I'ma say it blunt. Not all teenagers keep their pants on lol. They make dumb mistakes. And a child is a not an accident, that can't be discarded. And the only way to prevent these kind of mistakes is birth control and in some cases abortion. Or better yet abstinence. Which is a very hard thing for kids to do in this day and age.

[Strut_Buster]

http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif alrighty http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
I can live with that

[buckee]

It's pretty simple Mike.
They changed the meaning of the word "murder", by replacing it with the word "abortion" a few years back. Now they have replaced the word "abortion", with the words "planned parenthood".
That's how this modern world we live in does things these days eh. They just do a little redefining and renaming. Makes it all good...more pleasing to the ears .. didn't ya know ? http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

[hutchies]

The problem with some kids though is the fact that the first abortion does not stop them. I know a girl that had 6 abortions before she was 18. Another that had 3 before she was 19. The problem is repeat abortions. Most of them don't learn the lesson because it was so easy for them to just get the abortion done.

My wife made the mistake when she was young. She was 16 when she had her first kid but she stood up and took the responsibility. She went to school, worked, and spent time with the kid. People wanted her to have an abortion but she simply told them no and for that I have the utmost respect for her.

[TreeStandBowHunter]

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My wife made the mistake when she was young. She was 16 when she had her first kid but she stood up and took the responsibility. She went to school, worked, and spent time with the kid. People wanted her to have an abortion but she simply told them no and for that I have the utmost respect for her.

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I think anyone who has any common sense would have the utmost respect for your wife. And your right, they make it too darn easy to have an abortion. Kudos to your wife http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[VermontHunter]

Awww,,,,,NOPE I can't Steve keeps a real tight reign on me .... http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif,,Heck I'm not even suppose to be in here...... http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

All I will say is it's not all one sided as you all seem to protray it.... http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif

I'm outa here before Steve drops in... http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[stevebeilgard]

what are you talking about muggs. this is a political forum. there are more opinions, and better ones, than yours. maybe you should keep quiet

[slugshooter]

I am pro-choice through and through, but I don't agree with abortion as a method of birth control, where the girl can be as promiscuous as she wants to be and if she gets knocked up she just goes and has the abortion and is done with it, she's be better off just taking the pill, I would think repeated abortions would mess some things up eventually inside a woman. There was a story a year or so ago about a woman whose baby died in childbirth even after repeated warnings from the doctor that she needed to have a c-section because the baby wouldn't survive a natural birth, she didn't want the c-section because she didn't want the scar, this woman was so huge that even if she had a remaining scar you wouldn't have been able to see it from all the folds. I think that the woman should have been prosecuted, I don't think she was though.

I also don't know where this crap is coming from that minor girls shouldn't need parental permission for an abortion because it is a private matter. I tell you what, if I had a little girl under the age of 18, she has no private matters until she is of legal age. It's the most ludicrous thing I have ever heard of, she can't buy cigarettes, beer, get into a club, still in high school, but she can have a medical procedure done without parental permission even though any other type of medical procedures for someone under 18 must have parental permission.

[robk]

religon politics and abortion three subjects i try to stay out of. sometime unforseen things happen and there are instances that make an abortion legal in my eyes. rape is one of them and naother if there are medical reasons to terminate them and i guess i do feel it is between the person who got pregnant and those it involves but like i said it is a very personal issue and i would rather it stay in the hands of the people involved in the creation of the child
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[wtnhunt]

Welcome to the forums Ruby.

I have to disagree with what you say. Women do have a choice. They have a choice not to get pregnant in the first place aside from rape. Saying no is saying no and women do ultimately have that control and choice. Your example and a woman telling a man he has to wear a condom and he says no, the woman then has the right to tell him no. Letting it go and being careless does bring that responsibility back to the woman.

Taking the life of an unborn child is taking a life any way you look at it.

[slugshooter]

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Welcome to the forums Ruby.

I have to disagree with what you say. Women do have a choice. They have a choice not to get pregnant in the first place aside from rape. Saying no is saying no and women do ultimately have that control and choice. Your example and a woman telling a man he has to wear a condom and he says no, the woman then has the right to tell him no. Letting it go and being careless does bring that responsibility back to the woman.

Taking the life of an unborn child is taking a life any way you look at it.

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It's easy to say that a woman/girl has a choice whether or not to have sex when most of us on here have no experience as a woman. Most of us are men, we have all been young men/teenagers at some point, raging hormones and thinking about sex 23 hours of the day. Is it really the girls choice when she is pressured into having sex, oh come on, all my buddies have made it with their girls, all my friends do it, if you don't I'll break up with you/find someone who will put out. It's real easy to say it's a choice when girls are the ones who have the pressure put on them to perform, the guys do the pressuring, for the most part......I haven't found my Mrs. Robinson yet. http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[wtnhunt]

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Welcome to the forums Ruby.

I have to disagree with what you say. Women do have a choice. They have a choice not to get pregnant in the first place aside from rape. Saying no is saying no and women do ultimately have that control and choice. Your example and a woman telling a man he has to wear a condom and he says no, the woman then has the right to tell him no. Letting it go and being careless does bring that responsibility back to the woman.

Taking the life of an unborn child is taking a life any way you look at it.

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It's easy to say that a woman/girl has a choice whether or not to have sex when most of us on here have no experience as a woman. Most of us are men, we have all been young men/teenagers at some point, raging hormones and thinking about sex 23 hours of the day. Is it really the girls choice when she is pressured into having sex, oh come on, all my buddies have made it with their girls, all my friends do it, if you don't I'll break up with you/find someone who will put out. It's real easy to say it's a choice when girls are the ones who have the pressure put on them to perform, the guys do the pressuring, for the most part......I haven't found my Mrs. Robinson yet. http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

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Pressures are pressures sluggo. Excuses are excuses. You seem to be good at coming up with reasoning that makes what might not be right fit your own mind.

Peer pressure can make kids do drugs, but do they still ultimately have their own choice? Yes they do. That is still choice and saying a woman has no choice because of this pressure is just another of your lame excuses. Unless someone is forcing you, you do ultimately have a choice, and the act of forcing a woman to have sex would be referred to as rape.

[HuntingInMaine]

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This is a very touchy subject but me being a teenager I know how girls can be nowadays and many don't make the right choices

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You know "how girls can be nowadays"???? I do believe they are doing these things with boys, aren't they? It takes TWO people to get pregnant and it is up to both genders to make smart choices. This isn't something that is up to the woman to control alone.

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and hey?!?!?! what about about encouraging men to take social responsability for the problem?

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I couldn't agree more Ruby! It seems like everyone is forgetting that women don't get pregnant without a little help from a man.

[slugshooter]

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Welcome to the forums Ruby.

I have to disagree with what you say. Women do have a choice. They have a choice not to get pregnant in the first place aside from rape. Saying no is saying no and women do ultimately have that control and choice. Your example and a woman telling a man he has to wear a condom and he says no, the woman then has the right to tell him no. Letting it go and being careless does bring that responsibility back to the woman.

Taking the life of an unborn child is taking a life any way you look at it.

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It's easy to say that a woman/girl has a choice whether or not to have sex when most of us on here have no experience as a woman. Most of us are men, we have all been young men/teenagers at some point, raging hormones and thinking about sex 23 hours of the day. Is it really the girls choice when she is pressured into having sex, oh come on, all my buddies have made it with their girls, all my friends do it, if you don't I'll break up with you/find someone who will put out. It's real easy to say it's a choice when girls are the ones who have the pressure put on them to perform, the guys do the pressuring, for the most part......I haven't found my Mrs. Robinson yet. http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

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Pressures are pressures sluggo. Excuses are excuses. You seem to be good at coming up with reasoning that makes what might not be right fit your own mind.

Peer pressure can make kids do drugs, but do they still ultimately have their own choice? Yes they do. That is still choice and saying a woman has no choice because of this pressure is just another of your lame excuses. Unless someone is forcing you, you do ultimately have a choice, and the act of forcing a woman to have sex would be referred to as rape.

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Aren't we touchy today. Even going so far as to say I am full of lame excuses. Never said anything was right or wrong or that I agreed with it. But pressuring someone to have sex is the same as forcing her, just because you don't tie them up and have your way with them doesn't mean you didn't force them into it. That's like saying it's OK if she is drunk, she wanted it anyway.

It's not an excuse, just a different point of view, and since you don't agree with it, obviously it is lame. http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif

[wtnhunt]

Not touchy at all sluggo. Just disagree with you. Not like it is the first time that has happened huh. LOL.

Pressuring as I said is pressuring. Anyone can resist pressure. Making up excuses saying you have to have an abortion because your boyfriend pressured you into having sex, just does not set well with me. A woman/girl has a right to say no. That is a choice. If she says no and the man/boy forces her, that is rape. Not hardly the same. Pressure and rape are different, and a woman does not have to be tied up to constitute rape. I am against abortions, but feel that under certain circumstances such as rape the woman does have the right to kill the baby she did not willingly create. But if the woman gives in and does not resist the pressure and it is not forced, then she made the choice not to say no, knowing potentially that she might end up in that situation.

As far as the men taking resposiblity, I agree with you. Making a man pay for his baby does not make him a father though.

[SaskMan]

I'm kind of on the fence on this one but I kind of lean towards the pro choice.........hang me now. http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

There is no excuse for someone to end up in the situation in the first place, it is the 21st century, education is everywhere yet still way too many people are stupid enough to make the gigantic mistake. STD's are passed on at a rediculous rate and just the same, education is everywhere, so are services, yet the mistakes keep being made.

Where I lean towards the pro choice is that many of the people that are running into the problem in the first place are just kids themselves, too young, too immature, too selfish to raise children. Many of these poor children live a life hardly worth living and the vicious endless cycle continues, early pregnancy, drugs, alcohol, theft, poor parenting, it just goes on and on and on, in a vicious cycle. I know it seems like I'm all for murder which I'm not but in my eyes, an abortion in the early stages of a pregnancy is not. It is a terrible thing but far different from the taking of a life of someone who was walking, living, breathing, on the earth's surface. Sometimes, it is the best thing for all parties involved. Let me have it now. http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[ParrotHead]

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I am pro-choice through and through, but I don't agree with abortion as a method of birth control

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I have to laugh - this is such a typical liberal response. I'm for it and I'm against it - I'm guessing that you figure at some point in time you'll be right?

And some of the other answers just boggle the mind. So just because someone doesn't have an abortion makes them a much better person than another? Come on folks - that's just not right. That equates to someone acting foolish while they're young and paying for it for the rest of their lives. Remember, the greatest thing ever received was forgiveness.

Now I'm not condoning abortions - I have my beliefs and unless there is deadly consequences to having the birth I'm not in favor at all but ask yourself what you do - and for once be honest with yourself - If knowing your child were going to be born dead - are you willing to go through with the full term?

Only someone that has a child can honestly answer that question because until you know the love you have for your child - you have no clue as to what real and true love is.

Some of you need to take a back seat to judging what others do and look more closely at what you do because in the end, you're only accountable for what you've done.

[slugshooter]

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I am pro-choice through and through, but I don't agree with abortion as a method of birth control

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I have to laugh - this is such a typical liberal response. I'm for it and I'm against it - I'm guessing that you figure at some point in time you'll be right?

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I have my beliefs and unless there is deadly consequences to having the birth I'm not in favor at all

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First off, I'm not surprised that out of all the responses in this thread, Parrothead picks out mine. But how is what I believe any different from what you said later on in your thread. Like I said, I am for abortion but I am against repeated abortions because some floozy can't keep her legs closed or some idiot isn't responsible enough to put a raincoat on.

There are some people that are against abortions period, even if there is a medical emergency, some people think there she be free rein on abortions and that a 13 year old minor should be allowed to have an abortion without parental consent even though she couldn't go to the doctor for a head cold by herself.

You and I have differing opinions on what is considered an acceptable abortion, but I guess that at some point in time you'll think you are right also.

[buckee]

Sounds pretty calus Ruby.
I'd go along with your thinking if I thought mankind was an animal and not a special creation, fashioned in the image of God.
And my belief that God put the animals here for , not only there beauty, for their purpose in nature, but for us to utilize as food. God didn't put us here for the animals to eat. http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[ZooBear]

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I really came to believe after many years - that God doesn't outlaw things at random. He only is gonna outlaw them if their going to bring you mysery. Like gluttony (geeze, ever eat the chili dogs at the 7-11?) but I really, really can't wrap my mind around the idea that eating one too many cheese burgurs (and really enjoying it) is just exacly the same in His eyes as ... say... killing the old lady that lives down the street from you and dancing over her body as you chant - all hail satan!

But maybe I'm just missing a piece of the puzzle?

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Ruby, you are OK! http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[SaskMan]

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God didn't put us here for the animals to eat.

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Tell that to anyone in the history of time that has been devoured by an animal!!! Who says we supposed to be at the top of the food chain??? Is it in the bible?

[Andrea]

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Tell that to anyone in the history of time that has been devoured by an animal!!! Who says we supposed to be at the top of the food chain??? Is it in the bible?

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I thought it was. Did He not give Adam dominion over the animals???? I can't believe this topic has taken this turn.

[SaskMan]

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Is it in the bible?


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I thought it was.

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That is why I'm asking, I don't know!!! I hope you're not blaming me for this topic taking this turn, it started in this direction many post ago. http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif

[Andrea]

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I thought it was.

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That is why I'm asking, I don't know!!! I hope you're not blaming me for this topic taking this turn, it started in this direction many post ago. http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif

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YES IT IS. GENESIS 1;26.
No, I'm not blaming anyone. Just think it's kinda weird how the subject has turned into this. http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

[TreeStandBowHunter]

Yeah this sure has taken a turn hasn't it. I just should of came in here and asked "Yes or no for abortion" instead of saying "hey, I can't believe I just found out that there is an abortion clinic right over from where I work" like I did http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Some of you would fit right in up here in Massachusetts http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[buckee]

Ruby made the connection between the two topics ...LOL...blame Ruby http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[buckee]

Sorry saskman..I pressed the wrong button and posted in your post...LOL

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God didn't put us here for the animals to eat.

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Tell that to anyone in the history of time that has been devoured by an animal!!! Who says we supposed to be at the top of the food chain??? Is it in the bible?

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Tell that to anyone in the history of time that has been devoured by an animal!!! Who says we supposed to be at the top of the food chain??? Is it in the bible?

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Genesis 1:27-31

1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

1:30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.

1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.



To Noah, God gives a similar command after the Flood:

So God blessed Noah and his sons, and said to them: "Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth. And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be on every beast of the earth, on every bird of the air, on all that move on the earth, and on all the fish of the sea. They are given into your hand. (Genesis 9:1-2)

There is a bit more to this story than what appears though. God wasn't telling man to go out and destroy the earth. Maybe this would be a good starter for another thread on stewartship.

[spyderpancake]

My view on abortion-I am totally against it. In every case, except very rare instances where it is completely necessary for the survival of mother or child. What about rape, you say? Why should an innocent child be killed because of someone else's crime? Even though the mother may have no desire for a child, it is still not her right to end a life. The fact is, every baby has an eternal soul. They do not get this soul at birth. A person is formed at conception, not some blob of cells. At 10 weeks you can look at pictures and see that it is a human. I think every woman contemplating abortion should have to see a ultrasound of her baby and listen to it's heart beat. Abortion is murder, plain and simple. You are taking life from someone who would be born and become someone just as important as you are. What if your mother decided she had a mistake and decided to kill you before you were born? We have a sad society. Our government cares more about saving the whales than saving babies. Why does it count for 2 counts of murder to kill a woman who is pregnant but it is not murder for the woman to kill the baby? It just depends on if the woman thinks she wants the baby? Come on people. The next step in this cycle is euthanasia. OK, I'm done ranting http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

[buckee]

I agree spyderpancake

[SaskMan]

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The next step in this cycle is euthanasia

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Now I'll bet this opens another can of worms!!! I'm for it. If the time in my life comes where the end is inevitable and I'm living in pain and truly not enjoying any of my life no longer, I hope someone can help me. Yes it is my life and my choice and you can say what you want about me but I'm for euthenasia when used by people in terminal illnesses with support from their family.