Are you a good person?? [Archive]

slugshooter

02-06-2006, 11:29 PM

I believe I am a good person regardless of whether I am in church or not. Even though I was raised in church I do not regularly attend now, but I was raised with certain values to treat people fairly and decently regardless of who they are. I am trying to quit smoking, I don't drink anymore, I am trying to curb my swearing but every now and then one slips out, I don't lie and I don't steal. So basically I feel I am a good person, but I strive to be a better one.

As far as people's reactions as to how you introduced yourself in here, some will welcome it while others will shun it. If there are some on here that do shun your beliefs, it doesn't necessarily make them a bad person, as far as I am concerned everyone on here is a good person, I haven't really been proved wrong on that belief, I may have my doubts on a couple, but it is hard to really know who a person is by letters and numbers on a screen.

Texan_Til_I_Die

02-07-2006, 09:38 AM

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...but it is hard to really know who a person is by letters and numbers on a screen.

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So true. BTW - I have the oddest feeling that bornagain has been on here before???

02-07-2006, 09:42 AM

You can still be a good person without believing in your god or a book of opinions. By the same token, you can read and preach the book every day but if you are a bad person it does not mean much.

Anyway, welcome to the forums.

Jimfrompa

02-07-2006, 10:10 AM

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Hey bornagain, I'm glad you have such strong convictions about your faith in Christ. I share some of the same convictions. However, I think the way you've gone about it in this post leaves a lot to be desired. Have you ever heard the saying "People don't care what you know until they know you care"? This was your first post and that's how you want people to know you? Try creating some relationships first and then share the love of Christ with those you become close to. God Bless

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You have opened with quite a hard expression of salvation. I know that before I excepted Jesus as my saviour I was turned off by this approch. Not that It won't work with some people. But from my experince talking about the grace that god offers is a much better way to open up with. God Is a loveing father who offers love and grace through his son Jesus. Being confronted with our sins is his job. I cant call you a sinner unless i am without sin. Please don't feel condamation in these remarks, That in not my purpose in saying this. I pray that the love of God will come out of this subject post. And that no one will be pushed away from the only truth. Welcome to the forum.

slugshooter

02-07-2006, 11:20 AM

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...but it is hard to really know who a person is by letters and numbers on a screen.

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So true. BTW - I have the oddest feeling that bornagain has been on here before???

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If he is the person who you are thinking of, and I am sure I am thinking of the same one also, Buckee will get to the bottom of it.

TreeStandBowHunter

02-07-2006, 11:56 AM

I am not sure if it's the same person. But awful funny that he he posted this and then took off and ain't come back since.

Although I give 2 craps about the thread itself, I don't see that he has done anything wrong though except push religion which goes on quite frequently here anyway http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif Not that I mind, just saying.

Also, I have noticed that alot of born again Christians and Preachers these days all have a sad story to tell. They all were into drugs, alcohol, etc...Heck, I must be a saint then http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

And here all that time I was thinking I was a bad boy http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

hutchies

02-07-2006, 12:03 PM

I try to keep myself in good character but I don't judge myself wether I am a good person or not. If you want to know that ask my family and friends.

johnf

02-07-2006, 12:08 PM

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Not here, I was a pretty darn good kid in school. I got sent to the office once in 4th grade for being late to class and once in 10th grade for running in the hall. I've never done drugs, no an alchololic, been happily married for 10 years and have two great kids.

Before I was saved, I had two problems. I lacked direction and purpose.

Christ gave me both of them.

Gator

02-07-2006, 12:20 PM

Well let's see, I ain't an acoholic, seeing as alcoholics go to meetins and such. And according to this guy, I am a lustful,lying, thief. But according to who you ask, some folks think I am a good person......Beauty is in th eye of the beholder

hutchies

02-07-2006, 12:29 PM

There are alot of good folks here that this post is going to upset and I for one feel like you are trying to make us feel bad. Everyone has sinned and most of us have been saved. Nobody is perfect, a sin is a sin so no matter whether you murdered or simply took a piece of gum...........you are still a sinner and no better than another sinner. Please don't come in here and make comments that make people uncomfortable. Again I say, there are tons of good people on here!!!!!!!!!!

AllArmyoutdoorsSD

02-07-2006, 12:42 PM

Welcome to th forums, this is the place where people of all walks of life come to talk about their passions, problems, and sometimes nothing at all. Sometimes we argue, sometimes we play jokes. But one thing is understood.. every one here is "Good People". No matter what your lifestyle is. I understand your fervor in spreading God's word, but be cautious my friend, for the only judge that matters is God!

Hillbilly

02-07-2006, 12:45 PM

JimT

02-07-2006, 01:39 PM

lol.... I must say that kinda cracked me up. I feel I am a good person, and have never been to church. In fact I know several people who preach religion who are terrible spouses,closet pervs, etc. It is way to easy to hide behind religion. The only thing I feel I need to be "saved" from is people telling me how to live my life, and I will go to **** if I do not do it "their" way. Welcome to the forums though. http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

johnf

02-07-2006, 02:05 PM

JimT I know lots of "christain" folks like that too. Truth is the deciever uses them to push decent folks like you away from religion and through that, pushes you away from God.

Not going to harp on you, but will pray for you.

buckee

02-07-2006, 06:06 PM

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I think you mean't to say, "If you think your good", since Jesus already tells us that no one is good, no, not one.
Hey man, I'm a Christian too, but I try not to act too surprised when people say they think they are good people. For the most part (worldly speaking of course) they are good people. But yes, Jesus did die for the sins of the whole world and he did point out that no one is good, not even one for a very good reason.............so we would seek him, and put our faith and trust in what he did on the cross. Some folks would rather put their faith in themselves and their own feeling of "goodness".
We've had many of these discussions in here before, and it ussually ends up not going quite the way you planned ...if you know what I mean.
I'm not ashamed to preach the good news of Jesus Christ either, but sometimes you have to wait for the right time to discuss it with an individual, because they just aren't hearing it right yet.

Do you hunt ?? I sure hope so, since this is a hunting forum.

I see your a preacher. Tell me something, in all honesty. Do you spend any time with the folks that go to your church, just talking to them, and finding out their needs, wants and struggles in life, or do you always come into a room preaching ?

There are a lot of "good" people in here (worldly speaking). Pull up a chair and talk some hunting for a bit...

Hey, I'm on your side. It's just a question. http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

buckee

02-07-2006, 06:32 PM

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I do deer hunt.
My idol used to be deer hunting!! If we love anything more than Jesus its a idol!! "If any man be IN Christ.." How many things can we be IN at one time??
We have to many INTO Christ and not IN Christ. To many have made Christianity a hobbie!! I'm INTO hunting, golf, football, church, etc.... Do you REALLY BURN HOTTTTT FOR JESUS???? Do you spend more time reading about hunting or this forum than reading the WORD??

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So, I guess you can't say you love deer hunting eh. http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif

don't be over zealous bud, you'll wake up someday and realize you did it all for you, and not the Lord.
You know Jesus taught us a few other things too. You can have all the things a good preacher needs to preach the gosple, but if you have not LOVE, you have nothing.
Maybe you'd be so kind as to post the scripture on that one.

buckee

02-07-2006, 06:46 PM

I examine myself every day to see where I stand with my Lord.

If I speak in the tongues of mortals and of angels, but do not have love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. And if I have prophetic powers, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. If I give away all my possessions, and if I hand over my body so that I may boast, but do not have love, I gain nothing. (NRSV, 1 Corinthians 13:1-3)

Definition of Love
Love is patient; love is kind; love is not envious or boastful or arrogant or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; it does not rejoice in wrongdoing, but rejoices in the truth. It bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. Love never ends. But as for prophecies, they will come to an end; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will come to an end... And now faith, hope, and love abide, these three; and the greatest of these is love. (NRSV, 1 Corinthians 13:4-8, 13)

johnf

02-07-2006, 07:06 PM

You know, when I was a Junior in college I was searching pretty hard for answers that I didn't even really have the questions for. During that year, two girls approached me with the gospel on different occations.

The first flat out said "If you don't go to church you're going to ****" My first reactions was "Fine, I'll go to **** then." and never gave it a second thought.

The second asked me if I was a Christian and I honestly didn't know how to answer her. She invited me to church, but I always put it off. She was never pushy, but was................. persistant, or maybe consistant would be a better description. After a few months we started descussing scripture and Christ roll in the world, salvation (what it meant and why) after about 6-8 months through lots of discussion, debating and all out arguing I began to study the bible a lot jutst to prove her wrong. Through this study and guidence of the Holy Sprint, I gave my life to Christ.

My point is this. There are probibly a lot of people in the world who need to hear a "Fire and Brimbstone" serman to push them in the right direction. BUT for me it took someone showing me Christ like love and real teaching to reach me.

I think most people are like me in that respect. We know there is something beyond us, but don't know how to get it.

If someone shoves the best tasting food you've ever tasted into your face, your first reactions is to push it away. I would hate to think I've shoved Christ down someone throat and they pushed Him away only to never let Him into thier lives.

Give us a little tast of Christ in our time and we WILL want more.

johnf

02-07-2006, 07:18 PM

Gen 9:2-3 <font color="red"> AND THE FEAR OF YOU AND THE DREAD OF YOU SHALL BE UPON EVERY BEAST OF THE EARTH, AND UPON EVERY FOUL OF THE AIR, UPON ALL THAT MOVETH UPON THE EARTH, AND UPON ALL THE FISHES OF THE SEA; INTO YOUR HAND ARE THEY DELIVERED.

3 EVERY MOVING THING THAT LIVETH SHALL BE MEAT FOR YOU: EVEN AS THE GREEN HERB HAVE I GIVEN YOU ALL THINGS. </font>

Now that doens't specifically mention deer hunting, but I think it covers it.

We are here to do anything in which we can give glory, thanks and praise to our Lord. Including deer hunting, but especially winning souls for Him. http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Mathews XT Man

02-07-2006, 07:21 PM

Hey born again..the answer is No Im not, thats why Christ had to save me at the cross by HIS grace.

buckee

02-07-2006, 07:24 PM

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Only 2% of christians in America witness...98% dont!

Let me ask you again...simple answer buckee, DO YOU BURN HOTTTT FOR JESUS??

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Yes, I burn HOT for Jesus, but maybe just not as many "T's" as you do. http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif..but then again, I don't really have to answer to men on that issue, just to the Lord. I'm not here to brag up myself, on what an outstanding example of a Christian I am, or ain't.
I will humbly say that I am saved by his grace though, because I trust in what he has done in my place on the cross of Calvary.

I thank God for the food on my plate, for my Job, for the pleasure of being able physically to get out hunting, and I praise him for all the bounty that I bring home.
But I know what your getting at..."Do I try to win souls for Christ every waking hour of every day". The answer to that is No.

Mathews XT Man

02-07-2006, 07:36 PM

Thanks brother!! http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Jimfrompa

02-07-2006, 07:42 PM

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I am no way better than you! I preach the message of Christ straight from His Word. Jesus said people will hate those who preach His word because they hated ME (Jesus) first. Jesus was so hated for preaching the truth they killed him over it!! God loves you no matter what you've done in life. If you are a liar, thief, adulter why say your good?? "Most men will proclaim their own goodness" Jesus said if you hate someone then you've committed murder within your own heart. "None is good no not one"
The commandments is to reveal to you how God sees sin!! Its a mirror. If your good you'll never repent and put your faith & trust into Jesus. The bible says God has placed eternity within you, and see thats exactly why you dont want to die!! God placed eternity within you so would go after HIM.....6 billion people in the world and no one wants to die. Jesus said people will have a hard time accepting His message...so He said FEW will go to heaven and many will go to bottomless pit. Jeusu said people will be offened because of HIM.

and by the way I've never used this sight before

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bornagain, I understand the meat that you are sharing. I know that everything you have said is biblical truth. What I don't understand is where in your message is God's grace? All have sinned and fallen short of the kingdom of God. Yes!!! But God sent his Son that ALL might be saved.
Joh 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. Te law was given to help us to live in a manner that we would not be hurt by the evil in this world. But no one can live by the law. No not one. We don't throw the law out but are guided by it. The accuser of the brethern knows the law and uses it to condem us. "you have lied so you are a liar" "you have lusted so you are an adulter" all true BUT Jesus does not accuse us he has died so that we might recieve everlasting life. He loves us more than we love ourselves. He has made it so that we can come to God and ask him to forgive our sins not because we deserve it but because Jesus died to forgive us. Grace man Grace. You teach Grace like Jesus did and you will get attention. He didn't start out with the meat. He fed his children milk first. Then when they matured he fed them meat. I am just a sinner saved by the grace of God and I hunger for doing his will and knowing him on a personal level. I know that you mean well and given time you will be a great witness.Just know that I love you and want you to be all that the lord made you to be.
Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
The Grace gives us the ability to know when we can tell the truth. Know the Law Live be grace in the Spirt.
God Bless You.

buckee

02-07-2006, 08:08 PM

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Do you think more about hunting or Jesus??
"As a man thinks in his heart so is he"

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I don't have to answer that, on the grounds that it my incriminate me. Thank God for his grace.

dogdoc

02-07-2006, 08:18 PM

Amen Brother!

unioncountyslayer

02-07-2006, 08:36 PM

Hey buckee, I think you and I would be great friends. Great posts on here. I would like to know where this guy preaches and how many people he has in his congregation. I have been going to a church here in NC for about 6 years now. When I started going there were about 50 people that made up the entire church. Now six years later we are busting at the seems with almost 2000. And we are the furthest from a traditional church. But our Pastor preaches the gospel, that is undisputable, but he never condemns anyone, no matter what their past or present situation, he just shows them love, and it has spilled over to the church as a whole. So many lives have been changed because when people walk out of a service, they feel loved, not scolded.

Jimfrompa

02-07-2006, 08:49 PM

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Every time you tell a lie you feel bad why?? CON-SCIENCE which means with knowledge. .

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You could call it conscience I call the feeling of conviction the grace of god talking through the HOLY Spirt. Who is my helper. You still haven't shown me grace. If I was told all of the bad things i did before i was saved I would not be doing today. I would have said no to God and anything that would take me from my worldly pleasures. I was told that the God who created me and loved me sent his son Jesus to die for me that I might have everlasting life with him. Man that stopped me in my tracks. Later when I learned what all that Jesus had done was for me and his HOLY SPRIT filled me the evil started to peal off of me and I have come a long way. and keep growing with the help of the Holy Spirt. THe learning of the law{I still am learning} Has helped me to See the protection i receive by adhearing to the law as best I can. And being imperfect I fail. If I knew that I was going to fail I wouldn't have started. Now I know that I will fail and when I am convicted by the Holy Spirt of my failure I ask God fo his forgivness and he holds me in his arms of grace. and Forgives me. I still say that the need to teach grace is following the example of Jesus.
Rom 7:5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
Rom 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein, we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
Living in the Spirt = Grace
Living by the law = Accuser of the brethern

johnf

02-07-2006, 08:54 PM

Did you even read my post?

The point is that to teach the love of Christ, you need to use it.

To answer your question, No, I don't think they wanted to hear about Jesus at the time. I think they wanted out of the building. Those who were Christains honestly probibly wanted to live a lot worse than they wanted to share the gospel at the time. If you had been in one of those stairwells preaching the gospel while others were trying to get out, you would have been trampled to death and died in vain trying to preach to those who wouldn't listen.

What I am also sure about is that those who died on 9/11 who weren't Christains wish they had been saved, but at the time, they just wanted out.

johnf

02-07-2006, 09:17 PM

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Q: Where do we get Grace?

A: From Christ who died for us.

Q: Who is our accuser (the one who uses the law to show that we are unworthy of grace)?

A: The Deciever, The Enemy, The Serpent

Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

19. For I through the law am dead to the law, theat I might live unto God.

21. I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, the Christ is dead in vain.

slugshooter

02-07-2006, 11:02 PM

Well, as a currently lukewarm person, I can say that I am not offended but at the least just a tad bit turned off by your apparent self-righteous attitude.

I will say that last month while bending over my dying grandmothers bed I wept and rededicated my life to Christ and prayed for the Lord to take her out of her misery. Which was a completely opposite reaction I assumed would take place, I felt for a long time leading up to it that I would drift further from God when she died because what did this Godly woman do to deserve to die such a horrible cancerous death where she wasted away to an unrecognizable state. In all honesty, when she finally passed later on that night, I never felt closer to God then at that moment, watching her as she took her last earthly breath and then entered the kingdom, I also felt more at peace at that time than I had felt in a long, long time, and quite possibly ever.

Am I perfect now, not in the least. Am I a good person, I believe I am, even with all my earthly tendencies, but Jesus is the only one able to look past my faults and see the person inside.

johnf

02-07-2006, 11:13 PM

OK, I'm going to be blunt here. If you are trying to reach the lost, you are going to be sorely dissapointed with the attitude that you are giving off here.

Rom 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Rom: 10: 4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one tghat believeth.

Rom: 3:27-28 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but of the law of faith. Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
I'm sorry here, but I see no love in anything you have written.

As for getting deep. You obviously either havne't been on this forum before, or you are not very knowledgable of the bible. While many of us disagree on here about different subjects, when it comes to depths, you have yet to scratch the serfice of what we've already covered in here.

johnf

02-07-2006, 11:22 PM

As I was typing the response above I was actually thinking of you Sluggo.

While Slugshooter and I often disagree and debate, I can't help but feel a bit of brotherly wrestling going on. I really enjoy the fight, and believe I'll get to meet him in heaven. (I'm sorry to hear about your grandmother, I hope to meet her someday too)

I have no joy in this thread except that it has had me in the word more these passed two days.

Bornagain, with the serious lack of love that you show on here, I have serious reservations in believing your screen name.

markyj987

02-07-2006, 11:37 PM

First of all, this is NOT directed at any one individual, but a certain style of preaching...

Trying to "shock-save" (my new little catch-phrase) people just doesn't work in my opinion. It's probably as effective as the crash scene photos they show in driver's education.

The whole, "Oh you think you're a good person...guess what....you're going to H-E-double-hockey-sticks!" approach to preaching turns my stomach.

I am saved by the grace of God through Jesus Christ's love--not by fear mongering street corner preachers.

What brought me to Christ was not the fear of ****, but the love in the eyes of those who are saved. The Holy Spirit worked through them--God's love emanated from them. Nearly without words, i saw how accepting Christ would change my life.

It is not he who preaches about salvation that draws those like me--and many others to Christ. Instead, it is the man who works 60 hours a week, struggles to live paycheck to paycheck, supports a family--and doesn't complain. instead, he smiles and the light of God is in his eyes because he has been blessed with the love of his wife, children, and the Lord.

If that same man spends 500 hours a year hunting and two hours in a church there is no fault in God's eyes--because that man thanks God for every second he has to enjoy the woods that He created.

Now I'm going to step down off of my soapbox...and into something very personal.

Slugshooter, I want to offer my condolences for the loss of your grandmother. My prayers for the comfort of your family are en route--but at the same time I understand how her passing has edified your faith.

On February 5, 2001, my father suddenly passed away at the age of 55. My family was absolutely devastated and recovering as a family has taken a long time. However, I still remember what happened that day.

He was already gone. We were taken into a room near the ER to see his body. I couldn't talk. I felt as though my throat was going to close and I would choke on my tongue. It felt like my knees were going to buckle and I would crash to the ground.

I touched his forearm and mouthed the words, "Goodbye, Dad." I was trembling and almost wanted to collapse, but I stood up. In my heart I felt an answer.

"I'm not here." Those words, and a feeling of joy.

Where it came from I do not know, but it comforted me. Through the funeral and even the few times I've been to the cemetary, it goes through my mind all the time. "I'm not here."

He's not. He is with the Lord and I will see him again.

Of all the things I know about the Lord, this is the most important. The things Jesus said are not a threat to me--but a promise of everlasting life.

buckee

02-08-2006, 12:39 AM

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Ok, First off...I'm trying to witness to non-christians here. Then also I'm trying to reach the luke warm.
So lets be sensitive to that.

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buckee,
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Oh I see. So you have decided from these short conversations, that I am luke warm. I failed your HOTTT test did I.

Your in my prayers also slugger. You see, grandma's faith wasn't in vane at all. http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

markyj987

02-08-2006, 12:43 AM

Wow, Steve...if you're lukewarm...does that mean I should sacrifice my cat? LOL

johnf

02-08-2006, 08:50 AM

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Wow, Steve...if you're lukewarm...does that mean I should sacrifice my cat? LOL

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A cat is an "unclean" animal, you can't sacrifice it. DO you have a pegeon or goat? http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Gator

02-08-2006, 08:53 AM

People "preaching" in this manner are just one of the many reasons I will not go to church. Do I beleive in God, yes. Do I beleive in Heaven, yes. Do I go to church, No. Why, because I do not agree with the way church is conducted, at least from some of the things I have seen. the way born again has brought this approach on, just turns me off even more.........

johnf

02-08-2006, 09:04 AM

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People "preaching" in this manner are just one of the many reasons I will not go to church. Do I beleive in God, yes. Do I beleive in Heaven, yes. Do I go to church, No. Why, because I do not agree with the way church is conducted, at least from some of the things I have seen. the way born again has brought this approach on, just turns me off even more.........

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Bornagain- This responce is the point of all of the Christians on here. You may be sincere, but you not helping the cause of Christ, you are hurting it.

Gator- The love of Christ can abound in your life in or out of Church, but it's a lot easier to live the life Christ wants us to if we are reminded of how to do it often. Don't let people like that persuade you that all Christians are like them.

slugshooter

02-08-2006, 09:42 AM

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Well, good morning gentlemen!!

Before I say anything to these resopnses let me ask an all important question that I really want to know:
How are we supposed to witness ACCORDING to the Bible??? I would like to hear from all. Please include verses to.

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That ain't how it works around here bub. http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif You got to answer our questions before we answer yours. http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

johnf

02-08-2006, 10:05 AM

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Well, good morning gentlemen!!

Before I say anything to these resopnses let me ask an all important question that I really want to know:
How are we supposed to witness ACCORDING to the Bible??? I would like to hear from all. Please include verses to.

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That ain't how it works around here bub. http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif You got to answer our questions before we answer yours. http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

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Slugshooter and I agree twice in one week.

Let us savor the moment
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Ah that was nice. http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif

johnf

02-08-2006, 10:11 AM

bornagain- If you are trying to reach the lost then read Gator's post again and do some serious thinking about how much you helped him come closer to God.
If you want answers they've already been posted. Read the scriptures.

Again, I see no love in your words.

I am covinced that you are either decieved or trying to decieve.

unioncountyslayer

02-08-2006, 10:27 AM

gator, I would encourage you to check out www.crossingsokc.org. (http://www.crossingsokc.org.) Not sure if this is close to where you live, but a great church with lots of resources. This is similar to the type of church I attend. I was like you, just about fed up with Church when I found my current church 6 1/2 years ago Southbrook Community Church www.southbrookchurch.org. (http://www.southbrookchurch.org.) Don't give up on church, just seek out a church that shows compassion and love for the lost and seeker. No church is perfect by any means, but there are many that "Get It" and are reaching out to everyone, not just the "Saints". God Bless you.

unioncountyslayer

02-08-2006, 11:46 AM

bornagain, what is the name of the church you pastor and where is it located?

unioncountyslayer

02-08-2006, 11:49 AM

I've heard of the men, and while some of the quotes you have used in this thread have been from these men, great men of faith, whenever man opens his mouth there is err. Let's just stick to the word of God, the only inherint Truth.

AllArmyoutdoorsSD

02-08-2006, 11:49 AM

Bornagain

I have been reading this thread for a while, I even tried putting my two cents in at the beginning. I would like to try again. I am one of those luke warm or cooler people you are trying to reach, You have failed. Your post caught my attention, but if any one is like me, by quoting scripture and accusitory comments you are only making me feel scolded by a complete stranger. To "touch" someone takes trust and love for that person, just as you trust and love and Jesus. For that is how he has "Touched" you. I don't know how much of this forum you have checked out yet, but there is a devotion thread that has made me want to get closer to my savior than any thing you have said in here. I am in no way trying to denounce your beleifs or methods, I just want you to know how your aproach has affected a sinner that you say you want to help. Take a few minutes and read through the devotionals of a few the members here, and you will see the trust and love that I refer to.

Justin

unioncountyslayer

02-08-2006, 11:50 AM

Now I've answered your post, would you be kind enough to answer mine?

johnf

02-08-2006, 11:59 AM

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When Jesus told the young rich ruler what he needed to do to be saved..the young rich man went away sad. Did Jesus "push" him away? why didnt Jesus say anything about grace. Sounds hard?

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Jesus also said that you must come to him with Childlike faith. My 7 month old jumps off the table to me because he knows I will catch him. Not because he's afraid he will hit the floor.

johnf

02-08-2006, 12:02 PM

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Does anyone know of John wesley, George Whitfield, Charles Finney, DL Moody??? Just answer this so I can post a thought I have.

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I don't know of Witfield the others I'm fairly familiar with.

buckee

02-08-2006, 12:09 PM

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WHO WAS THE LABORER that the Lord sent??? How many times if we dont witness that someone is getting ready to committ adultrey, drink, drugs, porn etc... DO we wait and say welllll maybe I should establish a relationship first? This is exactly why we have a sick church in a dying world.

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Lets me pose a little scenario here, and maybe you can answer this one.

A man of God is walking along a rocky beach one morning, out for some fresh air, and a little quiet time with the Lord. As he round a corner in the beach, he hears a young man about 50 yrds off-shore yelling "Help, me, Help me". The young man is waving his arms frantically, and going under the water, and bobbing back up after a few seconds. It is quite obvious to the Man on the beach, that this young man is going to drown, very shortly, maybe even before he can swim out to him.
So the man of God responds:

1 - Yells out to the lad, "Repent of your sins and believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, before you die and go to ****"
The young boy, goes under for the last time, and another man arrives who was further down the beach, jumps in the water and swims out to retrieve the lifeless body of the young lad.
The man of God, looks down at the young lad and wonders in his mind if the boy, did indeed repent in his last breath. The man of God, walks away from the scene, believing in his heart, that God had sent him to this very spot on the beach, at this very moment in time, to tell this boy about salvation, in Christ, and feels like he did his duty as a servant of God. He walks home, sad for the young lad, but feeling like he did all that he could in the eyes of the Lord as he mumbles to himself .." yes the soul is so much more important than the body"

2 - Upon hearing the lad's screams,he is throwing off his shoes, and jumping into the cold water. He swims as fast as he can to reach the lad, but the young boy goes under for the last time, just as the man is starting his swim. He reaches the spot where the boy was last seen, and dives down to find him. He see's the boy's lifeless body on the bottom, and pulls it to shore. Upon reaching the shore, he gently lays the boy down and administers mouth to mouth resuscitation. In a couple of minutes, the lad chokes up a mouthful of water, and starts to come around.
By now, people have gathered, and an ambulance has been called to the scene. The boy is rushed to the hospital, where he is promptly cared for. Two days later, when the boys is taken out of the emergency Ward and given his own room, the man of God comes in to visit and sit with him.
The boy was so very grateful that the man came along when he did, and the man, told him about how, he wasn't really going to go that far down the beach that morning, but was something that kept pushing him on for a longer walk. Then he shared his faith in Christ with the lad, and told him how he could be spiritually saved, now that he was physically saved.
The Lord, had prepared this young lad's heart for this moment in time the day before, when he was taken from the emergency Ward to his own room. He had been laying there for almost two full days, thinking about his life, and wondering why he had done some of the things he had done, and wondering now what his future holds for him after being so very close to death.
The boy bowed his head in the hospital bed, repented of his sins and asked Jesus to come into his heart and life, while the man of God gently led him in prayer.

I guess my question now is .."Which man of God are you" ?

unioncountyslayer

02-08-2006, 12:10 PM

Just a quick fact bornagain, my church is 80% new converts. So you are a tent preacher? Let me ask you, once you save the sinner, what steps do you take to equip the Saint?

unioncountyslayer

02-08-2006, 12:13 PM

Excellent Post Steve! Excellent!

unioncountyslayer

02-08-2006, 12:16 PM

bornagain, what is your local?

slugshooter

02-08-2006, 12:18 PM

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I never save the sinner so I take no steps...LOL

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I'm pretty sure you knew what he was getting at. If someone gives their life to Christ in one of your revivals, what happens next? Do you try to help cultivate their newfound faith, or do you take off for the next show. Not to take anything away from Billy Graham, I think he is an awesome man of God, but one of the pastors whose church I attended here a few years back told me about a Billy Graham crusade they had here in Fayetteville, in the 80's I guess. All of the pastors in the town were involved in this, over 2000 people supposedly gave their life to Christ that night, and not one preacher in town reported having one of those "saved" attend their church.

P.S.- Don't take offense at the bub comment, I just always have wanted to say it. http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

By the way, how do you feel about predestination?

AllArmyoutdoorsSD

02-08-2006, 12:22 PM

I do not want to get into too much of an argument here, but by revivals are you meaning 'Saved"? If so I don't believe that any human can witness this action, I am in no way as knowledgeable as most of people you are talking to here, but I do know that to take the lord into your life and dedicate your self to him is to be saved. How ever a person has the ability to decieve, and be deceived. I work with people every day and see this continuously. I was married to a devout Roman Catholic...who was NOT true unto the lord but the church, because someone is true to an orginisation does not make them true to the lord. I can tell you all day long that I am or have been saved and that people can bear witness to this "fact", does that mean that I fall into that 1% growth or am I feverish in my worship, and am acting? My point here is that only God will can save us and that people can bear witness to falshoods and believe what they see. my judgement is coming but not by you or any man. I place my trust and love in the Lord and his son Jesus Christ.

unioncountyslayer

02-08-2006, 12:25 PM

The reason that I know is because at the end of the service we have a card to fill out. One of the boxes says "I am committing my life to Christ". Then several people from the church including the Pastor contact them with new believer Bible, studies, etc. Then there is a class we have called 101, 201, 301, and 401. This helps to grow these individuals. Also we have small groups within the church that meet weekly to help new believers as well as mature ones grow more in their faith. It's not just about saving them. And yes, I see tremendous repentance and eternally changed lives. The Lord is at work at Southbrook. We just had a guy give his testimony last week. He was an atheist that gave his life to the Lord about 2 Months ago. He shared that every other church he had gone to the people would find out about him and reject him, but when he came to Southbrook he truely felt loved and eventually felt the Love of Christ. Even those that don't believe in God are seeking HIM! And it is up to us as Christians to be compassionate towards these seekers and Love them first.

TreeStandBowHunter

02-08-2006, 12:26 PM

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1.Some of my post were meant for sinners.

2.Thats why the Lord sent me here.

3. Today the church grows by new converts by 1%, and the other growth we have is musical chairs.

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1. Are you not a sinner? I thought we all were?

2. Dude, are you an angel ? Because if you are that's pretty cool that you can still manage to come to the Realtree forums. But answer this for me..is it true that angels have wings? I've always wondered that http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif

3. Well the musical chairs would be me. I get on a spurt and I get off a spurt...well you know how it is! Do pastors like that when that happens?

Anyway, welcome to the forums. I may not be the best person spiritually but by God I would take a bullet for any American Troop and I wouldn't be afraid to take the point either. I think that makes me better than most church goers that go to church and sit in the front row just so the preacher can see them! Boy, I need help don't I http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

unioncountyslayer

02-08-2006, 12:30 PM

Thanks Slugshooter, us North Carolinians have to stick together! http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif He knew what I meant, but was unsure of how to respond IMO.

unioncountyslayer

02-08-2006, 12:30 PM

bornagain, where are you located????????????????

AllArmyoutdoorsSD

02-08-2006, 12:31 PM

Enlighten me

unioncountyslayer

02-08-2006, 12:36 PM

bornagain, just curious if read my last post on page 3 and have any comments?

unioncountyslayer

02-08-2006, 01:12 PM

I was almost certain you would. What was the name of the church you resigned from?

buckee

02-08-2006, 01:15 PM

This is a true story about me. Maybe it's because of my not so great childhood background.
When I first came to know Jesus as my saviour, and heard my first sermon on the "Body" of Christ, The Holy Spirit revealed to me, the many parts of the body. It wasn't really the sermon I was listening to anymore, but a quiet loving voice in my heart.

We can't all be heads, because Jesus is the head, so we make up the rest of the body.. We can't all be arms. or legs, or feet, or hands, otherwise, there would be no body of Christ. A body has many parts.
I remember sitting there thinking, that maybe I was just a nose-hair..LOL..in the body of Christ, but then that voice said "even a nose-hair provides an important function in the body. It's a filter". http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif If I try to function as the head, I am no longer connected to the body, but am acting independent of the body. The head tells me, that every conscious move that the different parts of the body make, should be done in Love.

preacherman

02-08-2006, 01:28 PM

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Jesus was so hated for preaching the truth they killed him over it!!

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Last time I checked.......I believe that Jesus died because that was the will of God for Him to become the sacrifice for your sins and mine.

johnf

02-08-2006, 01:29 PM

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Their preaching was no where near the way most preachers preach today. So lets add this up: These men of God saw real revivals...the preachers today have not. But the diffirence is the preaching. These men saw thousands of people saved through their ministry.

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You also had a lot different world out there where anyone who was educated was taught by reading and learning the bible. Very little of world today has a clue what the scriptures say. Back then all a preacher had to do is take what the people already knew and preach it in a way that the people could bring it into their hearts.

Spouting off **** fire and brimbstone does nothing but irritate the unsaved. Your spinning your wheels, can't you see that?

johnf

02-08-2006, 01:37 PM

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Jesus was so hated for preaching the truth they killed him over it!!

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Last time I checked.......I believe that Jesus died because that was the will of God for Him to become the sacrifice for your sins and mine.

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And Preacherman Chimes in.

TAG!!!!!!!!!!!

Preacherman 1 bornagain 0

johnf

02-08-2006, 01:45 PM

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Ok, First off...I'm trying to witness to non-christians here. Then also I'm trying to reach the luke warm.

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To say this and then say that you didn't say anyone on here was "luke warm" contridicts itself.

It is hard to believe one who is inconsistant.

unioncountyslayer

02-08-2006, 01:52 PM

He was killed because of God's plan, not for what He was preaching. It was God's sole purpose to send the ultimate sacrifice, His Son, to earth, to give us sinners a way to forgivness and eternal life. Period. He was going to die on that cross regardless of the circumstances, and I for one am glad He did. So I don't believe preacherman was making a "funny".

johnf

02-08-2006, 01:52 PM

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Interesting posts.

John,
Jesus preached on the lake of fire more than heaven.
And the Bible says He came for our example.

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But how many times did he tell us how to get to the Father? If you get to the Father through him, you'll be in heven.

BTW I say no humor in what preacherman said. I saw truth.

Christ died because we sin and God the Father ordained the His son to die for our sins. The trial that Pilite officiated over had nothing to do with why Christ died. It was simply the tool which God used that we might be redeemed through the blood that was shed. His death was decided on probibly before Eve was decieved and Adam followed her into the deception.

unioncountyslayer

02-08-2006, 02:10 PM

obviously not getting the point. Every Christian has a purpose from God here on earth then we leave our bodies to join Him. Christ's purpose was to lead a sinless life, create relationships, and ultimatly die for us. It's not easy, but it is simple.

buckee

02-08-2006, 02:21 PM

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Jesus was so hated for preaching the truth they killed him over it!!

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Last time I checked.......I believe that Jesus died because that was the will of God for Him to become the sacrifice for your sins and mine.

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Both statements are true, so why are you so intent on correcting everyone ? http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif

unioncountyslayer

02-08-2006, 02:25 PM

Yes, Jesus preached on ****, quite a bit, but He also preached on love, and loving one another. Do you honestly think that pounding out sermons on **** and frightening people into the faith is the route you want to go? Because of preachers like you is one of the reasons I fell out of the church for a short time. One of my favorite authors of all time Paul, wrote this: "We know that we all possess knowledge. Knowledge puffs up, but love builds up. The man who thinks he knows something does not yet know as he ought to know." I Corinthians 8:1&2

johnf

02-08-2006, 02:28 PM

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John,
Jesus preached on the lake of fire and you say dont.
Lets cut out the lake of fire out of our Bibles then since we cut it out of our preaching.

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Here is a revilation for you. I am not afraid of the boogie man because I know he does not exist. The vast majority of unbelievers don't believe **** or the lake of fire exist. What you are preaching is not real to them. They have never been to church and never read the bible. You are selling a fairy tale to them.

I do believe it exist and beilieve it should be preached, but it is fruitless to an ear that is not ready to here it. Some, not many, of the lost are ready to hear in and need to.

<font color="red"> Preaching on the lake of fire to someone who doesn't believe in it is pointless </font>

What people are looking for is answers to questions that they haven't thought of. They are looking for something to fill the void in thier hearts that only God fill. They are looking for a diretion to go to and a purpose to work toward. Teaching and spreading the Word of God does that. We can always work toward a more Christ like life. But if all we want is "Fire insurance" that you're selling here then after salvation there is no direction or purpose.

That is why so many Churches are dying. People make a decision based on fear and emotion but lack direction when the "new" wears off. Nothing your saying gives direction or purpose, only "Fire Insurance"

unioncountyslayer

02-08-2006, 02:32 PM

Nicely put John. I agree 100%.

preacherman

02-08-2006, 02:39 PM

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Pastor,
I hope your making a funny?
Yes that was the will of God, but HE was killed for what he preached.

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Since I guess I have been tagged (and yes, I am making a funny there! http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif) I ought to make my own response.

No, I was not trying to make a funny........because scripture teaches us that it was the will of God for His Son to come to earth in human flesh and live a Human life so that He might give His life as a sacrifice for the sins of mankind.

The reason the government officals hated Jesus so much was because of who He was! He did not just go around "Telling the truth"......He is the Truth! And that is why that He died. If you remember, it was Pilate that asked Him, "Are you the King of the Jews?" in Luke 23:3. And that was the reason that He was killed........because of the accusations that were being made as to who He was. Not because He stood on a street corner in Jerusalem and preached the gospel. If this were the case, then He probably would have been killed at about age 12 or 13 when He went in the temple and began to teach the teachers.

Sorry, and I am not trying to ruffle any feathers here, but you might want to sit down and work on your theology a little before you start publically stating it.

unioncountyslayer

02-08-2006, 02:45 PM

Right on Scott!

preacherman

02-08-2006, 02:49 PM

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It is the will of God we all die since Adam sinned.
But no one dies of heart disease??

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Again, I would love to know scripture and verse where you pull this out of.......and then the point of your second comment about heart disease.

Last time I checked it is a fact of life that people die. The Bible speaks of life being like a vapor appearing for a little while and vanishing away. The Bible speaks of how that it is appointed (literal Greek meaning is "to await") unto man once to die. So, I see life and death as a fact of life.

Again, I say to you with a heart of love.......be careful what you are preaching and taking out of context because God doesn't look to handily on things like this!

unioncountyslayer

02-08-2006, 03:08 PM

bornagain, you keep quoting scripture, but with no reference. Do you actually study the bible and know where these quotes come from or are just repeating verses and things you have heard from other preachers (not accusing, just asking). The only references to quotes you have given have been men not from the Bible. This is yet another turn off for people. At least reference your beliefs and quotes with Scripture verses so that if someone does want to read more into what you are saying, they can look it up. And be careful not to pull only verses that you want heard but use the Bible fully, the way God intends for it to be used.

preacherman

02-08-2006, 03:10 PM

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Pastor,

The Bible says they hated Jesus without cause.
And your point with 12 or 13 years old....well, He wasnt infilled with the Holy Ghost yet. And your point about Pilate....well, How did he get to Pilate by picking flowers? He got to Piltate for things He was preaching.
What is your back ground????

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I see where you are coming from now, didn't take long to figure that one out. As far as Jesus being filled with the Holy Ghost.......I really didn't know that He needed to be, since the Holy Ghost is part of who He is. (i.e. The Trinity) Go back and study John 14 He speaks of sending the comforter (the Holy Spirit) after He left, so why did He need to be filled with something that He was going to send?

As far as my background........if it matters that much.......I am nothing short of a good old fashioned southern boy who is saved by the grace of God. I never drank, smoked or chewed or went out with girls that did. My dad was a deacon of a church; but if I would have died lost, I would have spent enternity in h e l l. And I know that . But thanks be to God for His matchless grace and how that He saved my soul.

As far as how he got to Pilate..........apparently you didn't read my last post. By the accusations that were being made that He was the King of the Jews! Go study your Bible.

preacherman

02-08-2006, 03:13 PM

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Ok?
You need a verse?...The soul the sins it shall die!
God said man must die because of the fall. I think were playing with words now and plus we're way off topic.

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Can't find that verse in the Bible..........please, give me verse and chapter if you want me to consider what you say.

As far as playing with words........I believe that is what studying the Bible is all about, especially if we are going to take it in the context in which it was written.

Off topic?? Believe you left the topic about 4 pages ago.

preacherman

02-08-2006, 03:16 PM

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"the word will not return void, it will accomplish all that God intended.." Good point!

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I agree with you in how that His word will not return unto Him void. By the way, I believe that would be Isaiah 55:11.

All these guys and myself are doing is asking you to give chapter and verse to back up your belief. If you can't do that, then don't quote it.

As far as your statement about it "sometimes" being good to give reference........my friend, by not giving reference, all you are doing is confusing every lost person in the world!

unioncountyslayer

02-08-2006, 03:18 PM

That's a pretty poor excuse. My suspicions revealed. You shouldn't spout off words claiming they are God's when they just "come to mind".

preacherman

02-08-2006, 03:22 PM

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Pastor,
I gave my back ground. I asked a man of God where he stands and you refuse??

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What background do you want? Do you want my drivers liscense number and credit cards? Are you from the FBI??? Sorry, man, I just couldn't resist! http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

SRA

02-08-2006, 03:24 PM

bornagain.......are you a Calvinist?

AllArmyoutdoorsSD

02-08-2006, 03:26 PM

As I stated before I am not a theologist, but when Jesus was babtized, didn't he have direction from god to do so and show his father's will? And bring all that would follow in his steps closer to God?

preacherman

02-08-2006, 03:27 PM

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I learned from the MASTER HIMSELF for qoutes:

"It is written..." I gues the devil would of left sooner if gave exact verses? LOL

O yeah another man of God: Billy Graham hardly ever uses references because hes known to say: "The Bible says...."

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Don't think we asked Billy Graham to give references, just you.

unioncountyslayer

02-08-2006, 03:32 PM

Billy Graham is a close personal freind of my family, so I would have to take offense to this. I don't think anyone in here, even non-christians, would question Billy's motives and knowledge of the Word. He is very well respected all over the World and every crusade I have been to when he's quoted the Bible, they have put the verse on the Big Screen. When you are as well Respected as Billy, we will let the references slide. But I'm not really getting the feeling that you've gained any kind of respect in here. So let's have some good ol' fashion Bible verse references please.

unioncountyslayer

02-08-2006, 03:38 PM

Well, I can't speak for other believers, but I spend well more than 3 minutes a day in prayer and in the word. But I don't say that to be a poser, to show others how much time I spend with God. That is my personal time with HIM. And it is between me and HIM. And personally I like to be disturbed. http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

buckee

02-08-2006, 03:45 PM

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I've been a pastor for over 8 years now. I resigned my last church back in June '05. I'm also a evangelsit in which I preach in different states for revival. I'm also getting ready to start preaching open-air at college campuses. Church of God non-denominational. But I preach in all denomonations.

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Tell me something please.
Why did you resign as a pastor in your church ?
Do you preach in different Staes by invite, or just show up preaching ?
Do you like sales-men who show up on your front door, force there way past you, unpack the item they are trying to sell you, and start in with there spiel, before politely introducing themselves with some small talk (even if the product they are selling is the best in the whole wide world...but you don't know that) ? or would you rather do your own shopping around and seeking out the best vaccuum you can find based on other peoples testimonies. That is, if your even interested in that product ?

Your not going to be an instrument of God, if you go barging into private places just to preach AT people. You might have some success, if you just happen to run into someone who is just starving for what you have to sell, but for the most part, you are just going to turn people away. Then the next poor sap comes along, with all sincerety, tries to introduce himself politely and gets the door slammed in his face.

I'm rambling again guys..stop me http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif

unioncountyslayer

02-08-2006, 03:47 PM

And by Real Revival as you call it, I'm assuming you are talking about preaching strongly the consequenses of an unrepentant heart, of **** Fire and death, and not watering it down. But what you are doing is watering down the Love and Grace of Christ through your preaching. Just something to think about.

unioncountyslayer

02-08-2006, 03:50 PM

And back to a question from a previous page, why won't you tell me the name of the church you resigned from????
???????????????????????????? Are you trying to hide something?

unioncountyslayer

02-08-2006, 03:58 PM

"As a man thinks in his heart so is he". Where is this in the Bible?

buckee

02-08-2006, 03:59 PM

So what your saying is that we should all give up deer hunting like you, and go evangelizing. Is that correct?

preacherman

02-08-2006, 04:27 PM

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So what your saying is that we should all give up deer hunting like you, and go evangelizing. Is that correct?

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Let's see..........I believe that is what he would be saying.

buckee

02-08-2006, 04:37 PM

Maybe you could interpret this for us then, not that it needs interpretation. http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
1 Corinthians 12

1 Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant.
2 Ye know that ye were Gentiles, carried away unto these dumb idols, even as ye were led.
3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.
5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.
6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.
7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.
12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.
13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
[b]14 For the body is not one member, but many.
15 If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?
16 And if the ear shall say, Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?
17 If the whole body were an eye, where were the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where were the smelling?
18 But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him.
19 And if they were all one member, where were the body?
20 But now are they many members, yet but one body.
21 And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you.
22 Nay, much more those members of the body, which seem to be more feeble, are necessary:
23 And those members of the body, which we think to be less honourable, upon these we bestow more abundant honour; and our uncomely parts have more abundant comeliness.
24 For our comely parts have no need: but God hath tempered the body together, having given more abundant honour to that part which lacked:
25 That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another.
26 And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honoured, all the members rejoice with it.
27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.
28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
29 Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?
30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?
31 But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.]/b]

johnf

02-08-2006, 05:06 PM

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You know when deer season is about to begin and your excitement level is way up. All you think about is opening day or the rut and seeing a P&Y. You know its hard to sleep before the big hunt. Trail pictures tell you of a good buck. You set up your stands and hours of scouting. Days and hours of practise shooting your bow. Well tuning your broaheads. We know that feeling...we can almost smell it in the air when season is approaching.
This is how I was for 23 years. I loose my fire, zeal for God around this time....I stop almost thinking about lost souls. My affections are on earth. I become so EXTREME for deer hunting. I become passion-less for Jesus. I miss church more often during season. I pray less, O I try to please my conscience by praying grandma prayers. I think about God in the stand here & there. BUT imagine all that time all that energy could be put into the Kindom of God...what soul winners we would be!!
"As a man thinks in his heart so is he" I dont know about you but I want to die on FIRE for Jesus. I have killed some P&y's but in heaven wheres my reward. How many souls did it cost for me to poor myself into something temporal??? Just a thought.

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I get that way too,..................... the night befor the hunt. I don't miss church to hunt.

Does that make me a better Christian than you? No, just more reliable.

You know bornagain, I was raised in a cult where we were tought that the bible was true, but we didn't learn all of the bible. We focused mainly on "Good works" and living by the law.

We lived a fearfull life void of the love that is in Christ Jesus. (Much like you seem to be)

When I finally did accept Christ as my Lord, I poured myself into the word and read all of it, re-read much of it and went back and forth between scriptures so that I could better understand the context in which they were intended. (Maybe you should try that)

You appear to most of us (myself included) on here as an unlearned person who spouts of at the mouth with noting to back it up. You, like many undeveloped Christians, seem to know what you believe, but have know real idea why. Just because you get a "warm fuzzy" when you dream up one of these "scritures" doesnt' mean that it came from the father. Believing something because grandma, my paster or even Billy Graham or just feeling really confident about it, is not good enogh. Normally when that happens to me, I go try to find it in His word, so I know the source. If it's not in God's Word that leaves only one other choice.

texastrophies

02-08-2006, 06:07 PM

OK, I usually stay out of this area, with reason. But I happened to drop in today and feel like I just have to reply. This is a question for you bornagain. A quick history of me, went to church nearly everys sunday when I was a kid, and kind of got out of the habit since then. Yea, I believe in god, heaven and all of that, but I have a couple of questions.

1. Could you please give me the history of the Bible. I am talking about when it was actually written and by whom, on what, in which language? Where is the original one? Are the copies we have now exactly what the original one said? How do you know? Was anything ever lost in the translations? One word changed or left out or added could make a lot of difference, you know.

I guess that was more than one question, but they were all on the same topic.

2. I live around Houston, Tx. and just by watching the rate and size that new churches are built to, makes me thing that just maybe the word of the lord is not the only reason for them. Do you get paid for what you do? Is that the only reason you do it? Would you do it if they did not pay you?

Thank you for your time.

buckee

02-08-2006, 06:35 PM

Have you guys heard of dying to self before??....YES

Does your church even preach it??....YES

Now, I would like to ask you another question. Why do you come into this house preaching AT people, if you are unprepared to answer their questions ?

johnf

02-08-2006, 06:37 PM

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Brothers, Do your children see Jesus in you?? Do they see a gentle spirit, love, love toward your wife.
Accounts of revival coming.....

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My second year teaching an older high school student came to me and told me that she had been saved and had some questions for me. The other band director oftern talked about church and reading the bible, I never really did much.

I asked her why she didn't ask him. Her reply "I know you don't talk about being a Christian and church all the time like Mr. Steele does. We just know you are".

That is the single greatest complement I've ever gotten and I'll never forget it, or forget they are watching me.

I jsut don't get that feeling from you bornagain. I'm sorry, I just don't. http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif

preacherman

02-08-2006, 06:46 PM

Brother, let me be the first to stand and say to you that I apologize to you if I, we, have offended you in any way shape or form.

I believe with all of my heart that your desire is right. But I would also be the first to say that your delivery is wrong.

I would love to see true, heaven sent, sin killing, CHrist honoring revival come to the church. But preaching and sharing is not holding someone down and shoving it down their throat to make them eat it. And it is not going to get the job done either. Heck man, my wife doesn't like peas today because her mother made her eat them every meal when she was growing up. I think she is unamerican, but that is besides the point! Preaching is bringing people to a choice and letting them make the choice for themselves.

How many times in the gospel, did you see Jesus telling a person to come here and sit down so that I can tell you like it is? None........but rather, when He saw the multitude (Matt. 9) He was moved with compassion because they were as sheep having no shepherd.

It breaks my heart just like it does yours to see the complacency in the church. It breaks my heart when folks won't get right and live right. But I had to come to the conclusion a long time ago that all that I can do is love them and compassionatley give them the gospel.........if they reject that, then their blood is off my hands. And my friend compassion and passion and fire and zeal is not making someone look down a gun barrel and then lead them to the Lord. Compassion is loving them inspite of them and showing them that Christ loves them in the same manner.

When I would hear statements come from the mouths of those who said, "I don't go to church because of the way people act there" I would get so irate that I couldn't see straight and I would say, "They are just lost and they don't know the difference!"

But God convicted me of this attitude and gently told me that I was part of the problem and not part of the solution. Truth be known, church is one of the hardest places sometimes to be.........because it is built around sinners just like me and you and everyone else in this world, for that matter. And I fear with all of my heart that if we don't change that attitude and picture that the world sees........that there will be a generation that will die lost and go to **** and it will be all our fault.

And I believe with all of my heart, that this is the way that Jesus felt.

buckee

02-08-2006, 07:17 PM

Well stated Scott, and praise the Lord. http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

johnf

02-08-2006, 08:27 PM

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Well stated Scott, and praise the Lord. http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

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Preach on Brother, preach on.........

unioncountyslayer

02-08-2006, 08:45 PM

Great post Scott! I just got home from Church and to No surprise, the message tonight really related to a lot that has been said on here today. My pastor was preaching/teaching on how faith without works is dead and vise versa. He made the analogy that between James and Paul's teachings faith and works was like a marriage. He talked about how if someone says they are saved, but havn't had even the slightest life change, then it's probably because they were scared into asking to be saved, but not truely letting Christ into their heart. Or someone just gave them a warm fuzzy and never helped to mature them. I can't explain it as well as he did, but you get the point. I wonder how many of these people bornagain has frightened into giving their life, but with no life change after the "smoke" clears?

unioncountyslayer

02-08-2006, 08:48 PM

The main point of the sermon was that your actions tell a lot about your faith. That if you have truely accepted Jesus into your heart, your life will change and people will notice. You will show the fruits of this rebirth like love, compassion, peace, etc.

johnf

02-08-2006, 09:10 PM

Texastrophie, the King James version of the bible was written I think around 1400, don't remember exactly, that may not even be the right century. It was written from text that had been handed down from the catholic church to the church of England. The books in it were picked by comparing all the avalible scrolls and making sure that they were not contridictory. The thought being (I think) If one contradicts the majority or even a few of the others then it can't be accurate. I think the Old Testimant is the same as the Jewish bible, but couldn't swear to it. Then they were translated from the original Hebrew, Greek and Aribic to the English language as it was spoken at the time by the aristocrocy.

The problems with the King James, and there are problems is that, while accurate in the time it was written and for the people it was written, today there are too many words that have changed meaning throughout the years for it to be accurate. Unless of course you know and understand Elizabethan English.

There are more accurate interpretations out there today, one of which is the Coleman standard bible. Which took the original text in their original forms and translated to modern day American English. (Which differs from the English language as spoken in some other countries).

There are still other translations that were transposed directly from the KJV. The problem with this is that if the translators didn't go back to the origninal there would be descrepencies between the original Greek, Hebrew and Aribic and the new translation that may not have been there between the KJV and the Original. We must assume that with the evilution of the English language that there are many words that change meaning every generation.

For those of you who believe only the KJV is accurate I say this. If you don't have a true grasp of Old English text and have to have someone explain realtively simple things in the KJV wouldn't you like a bible that already says it in a way you can understand.

For instance in Old English this statement. "I found it to be Gaudy and Arificial" means something totally different than what most of us think.

Gaudy and Aritficial could be complementing a beutifull cathedral. Gaudy was something of God and artificial was something covered with a lot of artwork.

Look at the word "Bad" when I was in high school "Bad" meant "good" in certain situations. The statement "That's a bad car" meant something completely different in 1965 then it did in 1986.

To answer another part of you question. Much of the the bible was written by those who are in it. Moses was the author of the first 5 books. Joshua, Samuel, posiibly Nathan, Jeremiah, Ezra. Many books of the bible were named after the author and others for the main characters The new testiment was written mostly by the original Apostles (except of course Judis Ascariat) and Paul.

To believe the origins & accuracy of the bible takes two things Tex.

1 To read and understand it.

2. Faith

I personally believe that if you do the first the second will come.

johnf

02-08-2006, 09:50 PM

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Now we're getting somewhere....

I know I come off stong. I pushed some buttons....
Evangelist raise funds...revivalist raise h e l l.

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I'm not really sure where your coming from there. Please explain.

unioncountyslayer

02-08-2006, 10:22 PM

"Accounts of real revivals coming soon..." Why don't you just get on with it. And what was the name of the church you resigned from? Last time I'll ask you that. If you choose to not answer it, I'll just believe you're hiding something from all of us.

slugshooter

02-08-2006, 10:54 PM

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Interesting posts.

John,
Jesus preached on the lake of fire more than heaven.
And the Bible says He came for our example.

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And he preached more about money than anything else if I remember correctly.

slugshooter

02-08-2006, 10:57 PM

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Do you honestly think that pounding out sermons on **** and frightening people into the faith is the route you want to go? Because of preachers like you is one of the reasons I fell out of the church for a short time.

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Mine also. That's why, even though I generally have no respect either for TV preachers, I have been listening to Joel Osteen lately, mainly because instead of telling everyone how bad they are, he preaches of Christ's love and forgiveness, and that there is hope in this world.

slugshooter

02-08-2006, 11:01 PM

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And your point with 12 or 13 years old....well, He wasnt infilled with the Holy Ghost yet.

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So Jesus Christ, God in earthly, bodily form, did not have the Holy Spirit in him, even though the fullness of the Godhead resided in him bodily.

johnf

02-08-2006, 11:02 PM

Slugshooter, You gotta admit bud, It's a strange thread where you and I totally agree. This has got to be one for the books. http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

slugshooter

02-08-2006, 11:13 PM

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Ok?
You need a verse?...The soul the sins it shall die!
God said man must die because of the fall. I think were playing with words now and plus we're way off topic.

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My interpretation of man having to die because of Adams fall in the garden of eden means a spiritual death. I don't believe it meant a literal death, that if Adam hadn't sinned that we would all have lived forever. If Adam hadn't sinned, there would have been no need for Christ to come and shed his blood for the sins of mankind thus giving us eternal life if we accept Christ as our savior.

slugshooter

02-08-2006, 11:14 PM

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Slugshooter, You gotta admit bud, It's a strange thread where you and I totally agree. This has got to be one for the books. http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

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Getting pretty freaky isn't it. http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif I'm not such a bad guy after all am I. http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

johnf

02-08-2006, 11:26 PM

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Slugshooter, You gotta admit bud, It's a strange thread where you and I totally agree. This has got to be one for the books. http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

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Getting pretty freaky isn't it. http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif I'm not such a bad guy after all am I. http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

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Let's not get carried away here. http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

TreeStandBowHunter

02-09-2006, 07:27 AM

People wonder why others get turned away from religion. This is a prime example. Everytime a religious thread get's started, it's always a "Your wrong and I am right"..or "That is not the correct way"...or "No, the bible really says this"...
Just my 02!

TreeStandBowHunter

02-09-2006, 09:43 AM

Ok, now can you tell me that in english? Because for all I know, you could be telling me to pound sand right now!

johnf

02-09-2006, 10:09 AM

Bornagain, in all your rederick you've yet to give any doctorine sound or unsound. You spout off why everyone is wrong, but can't back up anything you say with scripture (book chaper and verse). You haven't proven anything to anyone except that your an over zelous that doesn't know **** from shinola whent it comes to scripture. And your too filled with yourself to realize it.

Do those who don't know scripture and know it a favor and shut up before you turn them away from God.

I still see no love in anything you have said. God is Love. If he were in your heart you would share it.

LifeNRA

02-09-2006, 10:14 AM

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Boy I got a lot of praying to do don't I? http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

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Your not alone Mike.... http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

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Better get me in there as well boys! http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Texan_Til_I_Die

02-09-2006, 10:14 AM

Aw, I wouldn't worry too much about it John. I think even those of us who can't quote Scripture still have a good enough grasp to realize what's going on here.

To lighten things up a bit, I'm going to quote something that's succinct, but not in the Bible:

the only things that Jesus owned
were sandals and a robe
he didn't need no limousine
to haul him from show to show

LifeNRA

02-09-2006, 10:28 AM

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I bet all those in the pit who died in those towers (9/11) would of wanted to hear about Jesus.

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The "pit" you say, you mean H E L L? If so you better explain as to which people are in this so-called "Pit"!!! Because I sure hope your not talking about the 3000 innocent lives that were taken!!! You better be talking about the terrorists that committed that act!

TreeStandBowHunter

02-09-2006, 10:50 AM

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I bet all those in the pit who died in those towers (9/11) would of wanted to hear about Jesus.

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The "pit" you say, you mean H E L L? If so you better explain as to which people are in this so-called "Pit"!!! Because I sure hope your not talking about the 3000 innocent lives that were taken!!! You better be talking about the terrorists that committed that act!

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I doubt he would be that dumb John http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif This would be the wrong place to say that....

buckee

02-09-2006, 11:10 AM

I've come to the conclusion that this thread really is going no-where. It's not even going around and around like some topics do.
God's truth and his word is always music to my ears, but sitting around quoting scripture back and forth without any direction, is just too much to take.

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II TIMOTHY 4:2
"For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears.
VS.4 "And they shall turn away their ears from the truth and shall be turned unto fables."

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That's a good bible verse that is talking about the evidence we will see in the last days, before the return of our Lord, and is so true for todays world. It pertains to not only our modern day society, but to our laws, our courts, our schools, our government and many of our churches.

johnf

02-09-2006, 11:22 AM

Amen Buckee, I've got to agree with you. If you don't lock it up.....I'm done anyway

johnf

02-09-2006, 11:37 AM

Do you realize that you have already crapped in your own bed and no one is going to read that?

unioncountyslayer

02-09-2006, 11:40 AM

Yeah, my A.D.D. won't alow me to read through that. LOL http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

unioncountyslayer

02-09-2006, 12:08 PM

Buddy, I read daily what God did and does. I also read about what Jesus did and does. It's important to incorporate the Old Test. with the New. I fully believe that both are important, but when Jesus came there was a new Law put into place. While God still has wrath for people He also has Love and compassion for them, expressed in Him sending His son. I do hope that I live a life pleasing to God, but I know that I will dissapoint Him more often than I can imagine, but through His saving Grace through Jesus I am redeemed. I am more thankful for that and share that Love with others, rather than God's wrath. Once they understand the Love of Christ, they will want to please God and keep Him close, avoiding His wrath.

LifeNRA

02-09-2006, 12:25 PM

I think you will be the first person I will use the ignore feature here! CYA!!!!! http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

texastrophies

02-09-2006, 12:38 PM

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You dont want to read what God did and does...?
Thousands of lives have been touched by reading this....
All beacause I didnt give references to scripture to back up everthing I say?

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Waiting on you to answer my questions!!!!!!!

unioncountyslayer

02-09-2006, 12:41 PM

Hey Texas, he won't give you answers to questions he doesn't have the answers to, so I wouldn't hold my breath! Can't even answer simple questions he should know the answers to for me.

ksbowhntr77

02-09-2006, 12:41 PM

WOW!! I am Catholic and all I got to say about this whole post is WOW!!!

bfletch7441

02-09-2006, 12:44 PM

There's a lot of intersting stuff going on in here, but a little too much bible thumping for my taste. I appreciate your zeal for your beliefs bornagain, but it comes across a bit judgemental.

Luk 6:37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven

Jhn 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved

I am saved!

Ben

unioncountyslayer

02-09-2006, 12:44 PM

Yeah, ksbowhnter77, it has been a WILD RIDE! I think that bornagain is going to become a spike in this Thread alone!

TreeStandBowHunter

02-09-2006, 12:49 PM

I think somebody has mental issues!

unioncountyslayer

02-09-2006, 12:55 PM

John 3:16 was never intended to save people.-bornagain

???????????What????????????

hutchies

02-09-2006, 01:38 PM

Fire and Brimstone preaching just ticks people off. Try a more subtle approach. Are you Baptist? Not saying it is bad but Baptist normally preach fire and brimstone.

unioncountyslayer

02-09-2006, 01:46 PM

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Just read my post.

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I read your post and I'm a bit disturbed that you would say John 3:16 wasn't meant to save people. Are you kidding me? This very verse gives the way to salvation. You have to believe in Him, truely believe in your heart, it's that simple. Be careful with your interpretation.

texastrophies

02-09-2006, 01:47 PM

thank you, the answer to question #2 tells me what I was wondering about.

The answer to #1 was done better by johnf, I believe, a couple of pages back. Still leaves me with a few questions tho.

unioncountyslayer

02-09-2006, 02:20 PM

In response to the John 3:16 post:

"The entire gospel comes into focus in this verse. God's love is not self-centered, it reaches out and draws others in. Here God sets the pattern of true Love, the basis of all love relationships: when you love someone dearly, you are willing to give freely to the point of self-sacrifice. God paid dearly with the life of his Son, the highest price he could pay. Jesus accepted our punishment, paid the price for our sins, and then offered us the new life that He brought us. When we share the gospel with others, our love must be like Jesus'-willingly giving up our own comfort and security so that others might join us in receiving God's love." NIV Life Application

slugshooter

02-09-2006, 02:55 PM

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Check this out...Awesome!! Eye opener
http://www.livingwaters.com/listen.shtml

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AN EYE OPENER!!! It sure is, because now we know where 90% of what you have been typing here has come from. Hey guys, scroll all the way down to the bottom of that page, in the bottom right corner you'll see a link that asks "Are you a good person?" They give you a little test to let you know how horrible of a person you are. Shoot, I am guilty of breaking all 10 of the commandments according to Ray Comfort and Kirk Camerons interpretation, but guess what, through CHRIST, I have been forgiven for ALL OF THEM!!!

I wonder how many non-Christians have visited that site have either come to Christ or turned completely away. I would bet that the latter has a larger number. I almost feel dirty after being judged like that by a web site, pardon me for awhile gentleman while I go outside and flog myself.

slugshooter

02-09-2006, 03:49 PM

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Slugshooter,
Heres another link of WELL known pastors of our day that recommends this ministrey. WELL known bible colleges have them speak all over the United States on the info your reading. Their recommended by many more well known preachers of our day. I can go on forever on their credentials and there is alot more.
http://www.livingwaters.com/m_television.shtml

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I've heard of Zacharias but not the other two. The way you made it sound I thought there was gonna be a whole list of WELL known preachers on there, guys like John Hagee, Billy Graham, Rod Parsley, Dwight Thompson, Joel Osteen, Creflo Dollar, T.D. Jakes, Robert Schuller, Jimmy Swaggart, Jim Bakker, Robert Tilton, Jim Whittington, Oral Roberts and Benny Hinn.

Tell me, did these guys get their free ONE HUNDRED novelty One Million Dollar bills for letting their picture and a staffers quote be put under their names.

texastrophies

02-09-2006, 04:09 PM

Do they hunt?

unioncountyslayer

02-09-2006, 04:25 PM

Comfort is opposed to following up on his new converts. In contrast, the Apostle Paul’s theology prompted him to follow up on his converts which resulted in his second and third missionary journeys.

unioncountyslayer

02-09-2006, 04:36 PM

If you want to know what Ray Comfort is all about check this website out: http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/ComfortTranscript.htm

unioncountyslayer

02-09-2006, 04:37 PM

Is there any good reason not to?

slugshooter

02-09-2006, 04:41 PM

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Slugshooter,
Ray Comfort's ministry has been commended by Franklin Graham, Ravi Zacharias, John MacArthur, David Jeremiah, Josh McDowell, Dr. Norman Geisler, Bill Gothard, David Wilkerson, Joni Eareckson Tada, and many other Christian leaders. He has written for Billy Graham's Decision magazine and Bill Bright's Worldwide Challenge

Any questions??

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Questions?? Yeah, who are most of those people. I've heard of 3 of them.

Change that to two. I was confusing David Wilkerson with Rich Wilkerson.

slugshooter

02-09-2006, 04:46 PM

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· – Dr. Jerry Falwell

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Can't say I think much of him. He's one of the ones that does a better job of trying to get his name in the news than serving God.

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– Terry Meeuwsen--Co-host, The 700 Club

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The 700 Club, you mean the same 700 club where Pat Robertson advocated an assasination and said that New Orleans was destroyed by God because of their sin. Were there not good people in New Orleans also, seems a shame for God to destroy their homes along with the wicked.

unioncountyslayer

02-09-2006, 04:47 PM

Yeah, I'm aware of who Franklin Graham is. Thanks

slugshooter

02-09-2006, 04:56 PM

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Your an evil man to post such filth about men of God who are backed up by great men of God. And for one is Franklin Graham. You need to delete that satanic website!!! "Touch not MY annointed and do MY prophets no harm saith the Lord"
You spue evil on those who back up Ray Comfort.

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Whooooo. Someone touched a nerve on that one. That website is the most un-Satanic thing I have ever seen. It is no different then the website you posted but because it conflicts with the pedestal you have put Ray Idol....oops, I meant Comfort, you are deeply offended. At least someone has found a way to offend you the way that you have offended others on here, and your reaction speaks volumes about you. You are a self-righteous religous zealot who believes the only way to heaven is "The Comfort Way." An evangelist is a showman, every "revival" they preach is choreographed and staged to produce a maximum spiritual effect and Ray Comfort is no different. One of my pastors when I was a teenager used to say "Do not put your faith in me, because I will fail you. Put your faith in Jesus."

In defending Ray Comfort you have broken one of the test questions on that website. You idolize Ray Comfort. You are a bad person.

preacherman

02-09-2006, 05:57 PM

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· – Dr. Jerry Falwell

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Can't say I think much of him. He's one of the ones that does a better job of trying to get his name in the news than serving God.

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– Terry Meeuwsen--Co-host, The 700 Club

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The 700 Club, you mean the same 700 club where Pat Robertson advocated an assasination and said that New Orleans was destroyed by God because of their sin. Were there not good people in New Orleans also, seems a shame for God to destroy their homes along with the wicked.

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Slugshooter,

I would have to agree with you on this one!

slugshooter

02-09-2006, 06:24 PM

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You just slammed Grahams ministery as well. When you defame somone when backed by others you defame them all!!
Offended? not in the least bit.

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Who did?? Me?? You just slammed and defamed the ministry of Evangelical Outreach and every other religous group that doesn't agree with your's and Ray Comforts idea of how to get to heaven. You need to take a good hard look in the mirror at the angry Christian you are who believes that everything and everyone that doesn't agree with him is satanic and against God. I used to be like that, I'm not now. Trust me, you aren't that important to believe that you are so special. Let me know if you ever come to Methodist College in Fayetteville, NC to preach "your word" seeing as how I currently work at the front gate, I don't have to let you in, and since it looks like I am going to be in a supervisory position soon, I really don't have to let you in. Nothing personal, it's just that there is a Baptist church that meets there now on Sunday mornings, and they preach of Christs love and forgiveness and show it in how they act towards me and others. You on the other hand have showed neither Christs love, compassion, or forgiveness in your fiery rhetoric that only serves to drive people away instead of drawing them closer to God.

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slugshooter

02-09-2006, 07:09 PM

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"Who doesnt agree with Comfort?? "
You better add in there all who back up them with with their minstrey....Maybe you shouldnt to please your conscience? I just gave you awesome men of God who back them up and your saying so what??

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My conscience is clear. Is yours?? Besides, I never said so what.

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Did Comfort blast that site you gave?? NO!!

But he blasted Comfort. this site will possibly turn lost souls away from hearing Comfort or others. Why slander a man of God even if you dont agree with him????

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You need to get your facts straight. I provided no site that blasted Comfort. You on the other hand did blast that site and even go so far as to say it was satanic. As for your question, if the shoe fits. Why is it OK for you to blast others that disagree with you. Comforts site may possibly turn away others who would otherwise have been saved had they not been made to feel like the scum of the earth.

P.S.- I know I won't get an answer to my question. Just label it as rhetorical. By the way, have you ever answered the question as to why you resigned from your church, or were you made to resign because you started telling everyone they were bad according to the "Gospel of Ray Comfort and Kirk Cameron." I know a little bit about Kirk Camerons beliefs. He is an angry Christian also, the kind that turn people away because they believe they are so righteous.

slugshooter

02-09-2006, 07:12 PM

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He has written for Billy Graham's Decision magazine and Bill Bright's Worldwide Challenge

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Was it a column, or a letter to the editor? Never heard of Bill Bright's Worldwide Challenge, must be known fairly worldwide.

02-09-2006, 07:42 PM

Gotta love religion!!!! http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

More popcorn please and a refill of Coke?

LifeNRA

02-09-2006, 07:56 PM

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I think somebody has mental issues!

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WHO??? Me??? http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif

LifeNRA

02-09-2006, 08:08 PM

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Gotta love religion!!!! http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

More popcorn please and a refill of Coke?

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WOW!!! What did I miss! LMBO!!! Never mind!!! http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

BTW Mike! I know its not me! I just un-ignored him to see what has been said! Like dg said, more popcorn and a re-fill please!!! LMBO!!!
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slugshooter

02-09-2006, 08:51 PM

I'm enjoying it. I take butter on my popcorn and drink regular coke. I have to at least take a break and let someone else chime in for awhile. Actually, can't take butter on the popcorn anymore, gotta watch my cholesterol. As my fiance so eloquently put it the night I gave her my test results from the doc. "I'm not marrying you so you can kill yourself in 10 years with a heart attack!!!"

slugshooter

02-09-2006, 10:24 PM

It doesn't matter. I have the sneaking suspicion that this thread will soon be locked by one of our good buddies. And then bornagain can start a whole new thread about how that as yet unnamed moderator is a spawn of satan and going to **** because he is a bad person for stifling his message. http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

preacherman

02-09-2006, 10:48 PM

Be careful what you say slugshooter........you will be named as the devil himself. http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

unioncountyslayer

02-09-2006, 11:18 PM

Well, I'm back. Tag out slugshooter. Bornagain, the only reason I gave that website is because all along I have wanted you to express what you believe according to the Word, the Whole Word. You have been on here quoting Men and sending people to websites to read about Comfort and Cameron, and what a wonderful job you think they are doing. I guess what I'm getting at is do you have any beliefs of your own, do you seek out God's will in your life? Or is your whole belief based on what comes to your mind and something you read on a website. Let's have some true conviction from you please, otherwise it's just dust in the air. I mean you can't even be original with your post subject, you pulled that off Comfort's website.