et tu, Wal-Mart???

[Strut10]

First Ford Motor Company........now Wal-Mart....

LINK 1 (http://www.afa.net/Petitions/IssueDetail.asp?id=210)
LINK 2 (http://www.afa.net/wmpassalong2.asp)

[OJR]

Wonderful!!

[muggs]

I'm in no position to pass my judgement on anyone, if that's what two people want, so be it. It has absolutely no effect on my life.

[WaCoyote]

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I'm in no position to pass my judgement on anyone, if that's what two people want, so be it. It has absolutely no effect on my life.


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Well said!! I don't understand it, but really don't care either.

[wtnhunt]

This topic has come up before. Walton no doubt is rolling over in his grave.

[johnf]

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Well said!! I don't understand it, but really don't care either.

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So it's ok for someone to get something cheaper than you because of their sexual orientation?

Hey, why don't we give special deals to child molesters and necropheliacs too. http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif

That's not ok with me.

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Hey, why don't we give special deals to child molesters and necropheliacs too.

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Nice comparison? http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif

Shows the frame of reference you holier-than-thou types choose to view the world through. http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif

sad really. http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif

[Elwood]

Wal-mart will no longer get my buisness. I did not like the crowds anyway. I don't care if they support a group but to give homo's presidence over a straight buisness owner is discrimation. Last I heard, that is agianst the law.

[Strut10]

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I don't care if they support a group but to give homo's presidence over a straight buisness owner is discrimation. Last I heard, that is agianst the law.

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No. You are quite allowed to discriminate without limit against white, Christian, heterosexuals. Look around.

[Strut10]

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It has absolutely no effect on my life.

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Obviously, you are not a heterosexual vendor that sells to Wal-Mart.

[jerdanmagic]

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Nice comparison? http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif

LOL!!! I love it. Seriously though, nice comparison http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif

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Obviously, you are not a heterosexual vendor that sells to Wal-Mart.

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no, I'm not. That's why I wrote that. http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif That being said, I'm also not righteous enough to attack anything that I don't agree with.

[Elwood]

I hear what you are saying Strut. Personnally I'm getting sick of it and the people that are willing to take it until it effects them. Then they will scream.

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I hear what you are saying Strut. Personnally I'm getting sick of it and the people that are willing to take it until it effects them. Then they will scream.

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At the end of the day, do you honestly think this will affect your life?

What if Wal-Mart chose to give vendor discounts to something you hold in high perosonal value. Say for example, the NRA, or maybe the National Wildlife Federation.

Would you then say that is unfair to other vendors who don't share the same belief? Or would you commend Wal-Mart and tell everyone to shop there?

That's my point, the bigger picture you guys tend to look right past when it isn't convenient for ya.

You guys kill me with these witch hunts you feel are so virtuous just because someone told you it was. When you're pointing that finger, three are pointing right back at you.

[Elwood]

Muggs I do not agree with you. And you sound extremely "holier-than-thou" by trying to tell me how I think. I could care less about the discounts, I care more about the message that this support sends to my children. I do not agree with their life style and certainly do not want my children to grow up thinking that this is a NORMAL life style.

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I do not agree with their life style

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There's a lot I don't agree with Elwood. But I don't make it a practice to let everyone know about it. And what you view as NORMAL doesn't necessarily mean everyone's gonna agree with you either.

I just worry about my life and live it the way I see fit. In no way do I feel I'm in any position to judge anyone else, and label anything as "right" "wrong" "this" or "that."

I don't agree with that life style either. I also don't agree certain political groups, cetain organizations. But I except the fact that its someone else's belief and I leave it at that.

[heathcoerracin]

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I don't care if they support a group but to give homo's presidence over a straight buisness owner is discrimation. Last I heard, that is agianst the law.

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No. You are quite allowed to discriminate without limit against white, Christian, heterosexuals. Look around.

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i was thinkin the exact thing!! well said i agree 110%!! http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif

[WaCoyote]

Well now I feel really stupid. http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif I didn't even read the link far enough to get to the discounts part. Because the whole gay debate just gets old. I thought they were just posturing to make it sound like they were so "tolerant" or whatever. So for that I was wrong and I do not agree with giving discounts to gay owned companies any more than I agree with racial quotas when hiring for government positions.

As far as the gay lifestyle, I do not care. It does not affect me, and my kids wont be gay because people think it's acceptible. Your either gay or your not. I'm not and my kids arent.

As I've posted before, I have several gay clients. They treat me with repect and I do the same. They don't flaunt it, nor do they hit on me. I talk to them the same as everyone else. One thing I know for sure is the fact that ALL of my gay clients pay there bills on time and are very easy to work with. Thats more than I can say for other "sub-groups" that I deal with.

I think it's just plain weird how they live but hey, at the end of the day it just doesn't affect me.

[BrotherBadger]

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Well now I feel really stupid. http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif I didn't even read the link far enough to get to the discounts part. Because the whole gay debate just gets old. I thought they were just posturing to make it sound like they were so "tolerant" or whatever. So for that I was wrong and I do not agree with giving discounts to gay owned companies any more than I agree with racial quotas when hiring for government positions.

As far as the gay lifestyle, I do not care. It does not affect me, and my kids wont be gay because people think it's acceptible. Your either gay or your not. I'm not and my kids arent.

As I've posted before, I have several gay clients. They treat me with repect and I do the same. They don't flaunt it, nor do they hit on me. I talk to them the same as everyone else. One thing I know for sure is the fact that ALL of my gay clients pay there bills on time and are very easy to work with. Thats more than I can say for other "sub-groups" that I deal with.

I think it's just plain weird how they live but hey, at the end of the day it just doesn't affect me.

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Very well put. I agree 100%

[IL_HuNtIn_KiD]

that just isnt right if the average joe can walk in there and not get any special treatment, matter a fact being ignored most of the time "the other" people shouldnt be getting it either

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Hey, why don't we give special deals to child molesters and necropheliacs too.

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Nice comparison? http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif WTF??

Shows the frame of reference you holier-than-thou types choose to view the world through. http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif

sad really. http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif

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I think it's a perfectly resonable reference. In some countries neither pediphilia nor necrophilia are illigal. They have been deemed "natural feelings" by those countries and made legal. Just because someone might think one is more perverted than the other doesn't make any of them right.

The gay lifestyle is a choice. Just because someone has a perverted feeling does not give them the right to say that it's normal or say it's ok, and certainly shouldn't give them special privilages.

I don't judge, but I am charged by the word of God to point out sin when I see it.

Fact- Mosaic law, given by God, gave specific penalties for different sins. Homosexuality, Pediphilia, Rape and many other sexual crimes, yes crimes, were punishable by death.

Other sins had less harsh punishment ranging from paying retrobution all the way to being beat.

Fact: I'm not Holier than anyone, but obviously more biblically minded than many.

[Strut10]

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Hey, why don't we give special deals to child molesters and necropheliacs too.

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Nice comparison? http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif WTF??

Shows the frame of reference you holier-than-thou types choose to view the world through. http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif

sad really. http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif

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I think it's a perfectly resonable reference. In some countries neither pediphilia nor necrophilia are illigal. They have been deemed "natural feelings" by those countries and made legal. Just because someone might think one is more perverted than the other doesn't make any of them right.

The gay lifestyle is a choice. Just because someone has a perverted feeling does not give them the right to say that it's normal or say it's ok, and certainly shouldn't give them special privilages.

I don't judge, but I am charged by the word of God to point out sin when I see it.

Fact- Mosaic law, given by God, gave specific penalties for different sins. Homosexuality, Pediphilia, Rape and many other sexual crimes, yes crimes, were punishable by death.

Other sins had less harsh punishment ranging from paying retrobution all the way to being beat.

Fact: I'm not Holier than anyone, but obviously more biblically minded than many.

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Well stated.

[Elwood]

Johnf

You are great with words and knowledge of the good book. Thank you

[wtnhunt]

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I don't care if they support a group but to give homo's presidence over a straight buisness owner is discrimation. Last I heard, that is agianst the law.

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No. You are quite allowed to discriminate without limit against white, Christian, heterosexuals. Look around.

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Is happenning all around us, and getting worse and worse. This is the sad truth and when if anyone speaks up about it, the aclu is there to support those who are against us and it gets turned around as those trying to fight to keep their rights as being racist or trying to force their views and more and more we are losing our rights.

[buckee]

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Hey, why don't we give special deals to child molesters and necropheliacs too.

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Nice comparison? http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif WTF??

Shows the frame of reference you holier-than-thou types choose to view the world through. http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif

sad really. http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif

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I think it's a perfectly resonable reference. In some countries neither pediphilia nor necrophilia are illigal. They have been deemed "natural feelings" by those countries and made legal. Just because someone might think one is more perverted than the other doesn't make any of them right.

The gay lifestyle is a choice. Just because someone has a perverted feeling does not give them the right to say that it's normal or say it's ok, and certainly shouldn't give them special privilages.

I don't judge, but I am charged by the word of God to point out sin when I see it.

Fact- Mosaic law, given by God, gave specific penalties for different sins. Homosexuality, Pediphilia, Rape and many other sexual crimes, yes crimes, were punishable by death.

Other sins had less harsh punishment ranging from paying retrobution all the way to being beat.

Fact: I'm not Holier than anyone, but obviously more biblically minded than many.

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I also agree. Well said John.

Anyone who thinks this does not effect them personally, or their children, or their children's children, has got their head in the sand.
And that is just my personal Opinion.

[muggs]

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I think it's a perfectly resonable reference.

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Yeah, I realize you do, that's the part that scares me the most. http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

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The gay lifestyle is a choice.

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How do you know?

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Just because someone has a perverted feeling does not give them the right to say that it's normal or say it's ok, and certainly shouldn't give them special privilages.

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John, I totally agree with the special priveledges thing...BUT...just because YOU believe them to be preverted doesn't mean YOU ARE right...regardless of whatever doctrine it is that tells you that.

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Fact- Mosaic law, given by God, gave specific penalties for different sins. Homosexuality, Pediphilia, Rape and many other sexual crimes, yes crimes, were punishable by death.

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They also burned people at the stake who were thought to be witches...I don't think that was a reasonable behavior either.

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Other sins had less harsh punishment ranging from paying retrobution all the way to being beat.

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dude your logic sounds like a cult's belief almost. http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

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Fact: I'm not Holier than anyone, but obviously more biblically minded than many.

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Good for you. If it makes ya happy, than go to it hoss. I understand that's what YOU believe, I have no problem with that, I respect you for it actually.

I understand YOU think YOUR way is the only right way, heck, you've been spoon-fed that every since you can remember. I can't fault you for that.

But in the meantime, just realize that YOUR beleifs are YOUR beliefs. http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[johnf]

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I think it's a perfectly resonable reference.

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Yeah, I realize you do, that's the part that scares me the most. http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

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The gay lifestyle is a choice.

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How do you know?

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Because any sin is a choice. We all have a sin nature, some of us dwell on those sins enough to act them out.

Have you ever felt like hitting your wife or child or plowing into a brickwall when your mad? That was a natural feeling that you didn't act on. If you dwelt on it long enough you could see yourself doing it, then after awhile you could rationalize doing it. Before you know it, you are commiting those acts.

Could you then go before the court and proclaim your innocence because "It was a natural felling"? No



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They also burned people at the stake who were thought to be witches...I don't think that was a reasonable behavior either.

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Nope that was in the witch hunts, Mosaic law called for stoning, never flames.

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dude your logic sounds like a cult's belief almost. http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

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It's straight out of the bible, if you think that's cultish, so be it. http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

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Fact: I'm not Holier than anyone, but obviously more biblically minded than many.

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Good for you. If it makes ya happy, than go to it hoss. I understand that's what YOU believe, I have no problem with that, I respect you for it actually.

I understand YOU think YOUR way is the only right way, heck, you've been spoon-fed that every since you can remember. I can't fault you for that.

But in the meantime, just realize that YOUR beleifs are YOUR beliefs. http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

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Actually Muggs, I did grow up in a cult untill around 14 years old. When I went to college I began studying the bible on my own and reached the conclusion that most of what I had learned was not biblically sound doctorine. I came to the decsion that the bible must be either believed in it's entirety or put aside as fiction. I chose to believe it. Nothing I have said on these posts was ever spoon fed to me, it's straight out of the bible. I believe the bible to be the word of God and true. If I didn't think it was right, I would not be so quick to quote or reference it.

As far as myself being right or wrong, my opinions are irrelivant, what I've said comes from the bible.

I don't think my way is the only right way. But it's part of a very narrow path that many on here share. http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

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Have you ever felt like hitting your wife or child or plowing into a brickwall when your mad?

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Umm...no...and no. http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif

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Nope that was in the witch hunts, Mosaic law called for stoning, never flames

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Oh, oh OK, I stand corrected http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

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I don't think my way is the only right way. But it's part of a very narrow path that many on here share.

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If you don't think its the only right way, than way do you compare others choices and beliefs to YOUR way, and then judge them?

Again, every effort you make to prove that other are wrong, only furhter exposes the true nature and hipocracy of what you believe in.

This is the last reply I'm gonna make, I'll probably just go repeatedly slam my head in a car door or something, that will be more productive.

For now though John, please do me a favor and leave the stones where they lay, no one deserves them, and no one wants to deal with them either.

[buckee]

Hey Muggs ...Might be a good idea to go back and read this thread. You are doing exactly what you are accusing others of doing.
John, myself and others have simply stated our opinion and what we believe to be true, So have you, but you've taken it one step further than simply disgussing this issue. Who's in attack mode here???

We live in the age of grace today.

[Elwood]

I feel mugged!!!! LOL pun intented
I usually get the warning http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[johnf]

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If you don't think its the only right way, than way do you compare others choices and beliefs to YOUR way, and then judge them?

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It's not my way, it's God's way. There are different interpritations in the teachings of Christ that are not big enough to make me think that others may be wrong, mearly different. For instance, and I don't think he will mind, Buckee's chuch does not believe exactly the way mine does on all aspects of religion, but our basic belief that Christ was the Son of God and that he died for our sins brings us together as brothers in Christ.

If someone deviates from the word of God and says they are right, I am compeled as a Christain to point out what God says through His word.

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Again, every effort you make to prove that other are wrong, only furhter exposes the true nature and hipocracy of what you believe in.

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Can you give me an example, I'm just not seeing it.

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This is the last reply I'm gonna make,

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I'll probably just go repeatedly slam my head in a car door or something, that will be more productive.

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That sort of makes my point there. If you think about it long enough and dwell on it, you probibly will slam your head in a car door. That's your "Natural Feeling" http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

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For now though John, please do me a favor and leave the stones where they lay, no one deserves them, and no one wants to deal with them either.

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Christians don't stone, that was the Jews, and we don't burn folks at the steak anymore either (not biblical). We simply quote or sight the word of God, sit back and watch the fireworks. http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[OJR]

Boy has this thread turned into a fisaco!! Surely isn't about what started out!!! http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif

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Boy has this thread turned into a fisaco!! Surely isn't about what started out!!! http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif

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Good point. So anyway, I don't agree with Wal-Mart's policy. I called them at 479-273-4000 and asked to speek with someone about it. I talked with a very well trained Wal-Mart associate, told her my concerns and she said they had many calls about it and it would be addressed in their next board meeting. I've sence then decided not to shop at Wal-Mart unless it is an emergency.

[WaCoyote]

All this hate will get you guys nowhere in life. You don't have to like, agree, with it, live by it, watch on TV. Your free to feel how you wish. But someday you'll get sick of hating.

It is absolutely not a choice. You are born that way. It's your choice to suppress it or not. But being gay is not a choice. I knew two people growing up since grade school. One boy and one girl. The girl especially was just "off". Looked like a boy, acted like a boy. Her brother on the other hand was always just completely normal like any other kid. He's now got a family and has done well. The girl is gay and always has been, but she was a nice kid and we were friends. Now she's a nut because of the way she's been shunned. Combative, stand offish.

The second was a boy who also was just different from the get go. He got bullied and beat up all his life because he acted feminine. He was born that way. He couldn't help it. I wasn't friends with this kid and did my share of bullying and I regret it. How stupid was that?

Do you support this behavior? Would you support your kids for beating up a blind kid, deaf, retarded? Thats the way they are and it really bugs me that some people just cannot let the gay debate go. It's these stupid issues that jeopardize elections. It makes republicans look so very intolerant but I say we are tolerant theres a small minority who make us all look bad.

Just to be clear. I find it weird, gross, disgusting, disturbing, etc, etc, etc, but I cannot waste time judging people simply for being gay.

I hated wl-mart before as it attracts poor white trash like the flies they are. If you want to hate, hate them. They DO affect you and your children, and your security, and your safety every day you drive to the grocery store with your kids. Hate those parasites.

Not a religious man, but I bet "hating" is a sin too.

[jerdanmagic]

Excellent reading!!!!! Very entertaining! Keep it going, lol.

[Bowhntr]

Sad very sad. I will no longer support Wal-mart or any of their companies.
Another point that I want to make regarding all the other conversation in the thread. My bible speaks of "men laying with men" and many other "UNNATURAL AFFECTIONS" that tells me right there that it is NOT natural, NOT normal, and is NOT right. Homosexuality is a sin plain and simple.

[SUGARKAHNE]

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All this hate will get you guys nowhere in life. You don't have to like, agree, with it, live by it, watch on TV. Your free to feel how you wish. But someday you'll get sick of hating.

It is absolutely not a choice. You are born that way. It's your choice to suppress it or not. But being gay is not a choice. I knew two people growing up since grade school. One boy and one girl. The girl especially was just "off". Looked like a boy, acted like a boy. Her brother on the other hand was always just completely normal like any other kid. He's now got a family and has done well. The girl is gay and always has been, but she was a nice kid and we were friends. Now she's a nut because of the way she's been shunned. Combative, stand offish.

The second was a boy who also was just different from the get go. He got bullied and beat up all his life because he acted feminine. He was born that way. He couldn't help it. I wasn't friends with this kid and did my share of bullying and I regret it. How stupid was that?

Do you support this behavior? Would you support your kids for beating up a blind kid, deaf, retarded? Thats the way they are and it really bugs me that some people just cannot let the gay debate go. It's these stupid issues that jeopardize elections. It makes republicans look so very intolerant but I say we are tolerant theres a small minority who make us all look bad.

Just to be clear. I find it weird, gross, disgusting, disturbing, etc, etc, etc, but I cannot waste time judging people simply for being gay.

I hated wl-mart before as it attracts poor white trash like the flies they are. If you want to hate, hate them. They DO affect you and your children, and your security, and your safety every day you drive to the grocery store with your kids. Hate those parasites.

Not a religious man, but I bet "hating" is a sin too.

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It isn't "hate" to not want to tolerate having our rights taken away by homos. I agree that children who seem to have this "problem" should not be abused, but there are people who can help them. And you aren't born that way, like it's some special problem some people have and others don't. Everyone has the same sin nature, and while not everyone has that tendency, homosexuality is a sin that that person must decide for themself to overcome.
I'm tired of Christians being called hateful and intolerant when they point out right from wrong. We aren't just stating our personal opinions; there is a definite Right and Wrong and it just doesn't cut it to say everyone has their own beliefs and one can't be more right than the other. http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

[WaCoyote]

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I never said christians were hatefull. If you took it that way I really do apologize. I just can't understand why some folks think homosexuality is such a big deal. I don't believe christians are as a rule hatefull, certainly not all, not even most. So please don't assume thats what I meant.

[Steven]

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Fact- Mosaic law, given by God, gave specific penalties for different sins. Homosexuality, Pediphilia, Rape and many other sexual crimes, yes crimes, were punishable by death.



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Shouldn't someone tell the Catholic church about this little revalation?

[Steven]

It looks like I'm forced to put muggs on my heros list. http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif

But, I refuse to add his cat. http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[johnf]

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All this hate will get you guys nowhere in life

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So if all us guys say were chrisians and all this hate is getting us nowhere.............

Not seeing your logic

[LifeNRA]

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Fact- Mosaic law, given by God, gave specific penalties for different sins. Homosexuality, Pediphilia, Rape and many other sexual crimes, yes crimes, were punishable by death.



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Shouldn't someone tell the Catholic church about this little revalation?

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Nice! Now your dragging in a new topic! Its about Wal-Mart not the Catholic church.

Been watching this for a few days now. Even if every hunter and Christian in the USA would boycott Wal-Mart, they would still survive. Just because there are too many other people that will go to them. JMO.

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Fact- Mosaic law, given by God, gave specific penalties for different sins. Homosexuality, Pediphilia, Rape and many other sexual crimes, yes crimes, were punishable by death.



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Shouldn't someone tell the Catholic church about this little revalation?

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Nice! Now your dragging in a new topic! Its about Wal-Mart not the Catholic church.

Been watching this for a few days now. Even if every hunter and Christian in the USA would boycott Wal-Mart, they would still survive. Just because there are too many other people that will go to them. JMO.

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That's not a new topic. John stated what 'God's law' is and the punishment for defying it. I just mentioned that maybe a 'Biblical group', like the Catholic church, should be aware of 'God's law'.

The thing is, Christians want to make everything about Christianlity, when this is really about preferential treatment to one group over another.

I do agree with you on boycotting- it simply doesn't work and tends to backfire due to the extra attention caused and the boycotters are made to look like they're forcing their morality on others.

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Fact- Mosaic law, given by God, gave specific penalties for different sins. Homosexuality, Pediphilia, Rape and many other sexual crimes, yes crimes, were punishable by death.



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Shouldn't someone tell the Catholic church about this little revalation?

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Nice! Now your dragging in a new topic! Its about Wal-Mart not the Catholic church.

Been watching this for a few days now. Even if every hunter and Christian in the USA would boycott Wal-Mart, they would still survive. Just because there are too many other people that will go to them. JMO.

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That's not a new topic. John stated what 'God's law' is and the punishment for defying it. I just mentioned that maybe a 'Biblical group', like the Catholic church, should be aware of 'God's law'.

The thing is, Christians want to make everything about Christianlity, when this is really about preferential treatment to one group over another.

I do agree with you on boycotting- it simply doesn't work and tends to backfire due to the extra attention caused and the boycotters are made to look like they're forcing their morality on others.

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Being catholic, it seems you were taking a stab at the catholics problems that seem to pop up every so often. Yes there are some bad apples, BUT there are bad apples in everything and every GROUP! But this is still about Wal-Mart, why bring this up? Catholics have nothing to do with what Wal-Mart is doing. Thats what I was getting at.

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Fact- Mosaic law, given by God, gave specific penalties for different sins. Homosexuality, Pediphilia, Rape and many other sexual crimes, yes crimes, were punishable by death.



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Shouldn't someone tell the Catholic church about this little revalation?

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Nice! Now your dragging in a new topic! Its about Wal-Mart not the Catholic church.

Been watching this for a few days now. Even if every hunter and Christian in the USA would boycott Wal-Mart, they would still survive. Just because there are too many other people that will go to them. JMO.

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That's not a new topic. John stated what 'God's law' is and the punishment for defying it. I just mentioned that maybe a 'Biblical group', like the Catholic church, should be aware of 'God's law'.

The thing is, Christians want to make everything about Christianlity, when this is really about preferential treatment to one group over another.

I do agree with you on boycotting- it simply doesn't work and tends to backfire due to the extra attention caused and the boycotters are made to look like they're forcing their morality on others.

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Being catholic, it seems you were taking a stab at the catholics problems that seem to pop up every so often. Yes there are some bad apples, BUT there are bad apples in everything and every GROUP! But this is still about Wal-Mart, why bring this up? Catholics have nothing to do with what Wal-Mart is doing. Thats what I was getting at.

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Yes, I named Catholics specifically when I should've said all religions.I mentioned Catholicism because pedophilia was mentioned and that seems to be their favorite thing to cover up and not address. If I had knowledge of a religion that has a known problem with necrophilia and homosexuality, believe me, I would've mentioned them by name. And, I'm not the one that turned this thread into a religeous thing. That happened long before I ever read it.

I know there are bad apples in every group, but every group doesn't make it their business to tell society how to live and regularly condemn people while ignoring their own mess.

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Interesting thread. Don't take me wrong, this is not directed solely at the catholic church, but I can certainly see where racksie is coming from with the hypocrisy in Churches(not any one specific religion).

Don't think a truly religious person on a spiritual level catholic priest or whatever would do these types of things, but they have and are happening with those who let evil cloud their judgement. Those who engage in pedophilia are nothing more than wolves in sheep's clothing preying on the innocent and doing it in the worst possible place. Churches are full of corruption all over, not just the catholics.

Using the bible as a resource is perfectly fine, but it is not my place to look down my nose or condemn anyone who's lifestyle I do not agree with, and I am against homosexuality. Don't think for a second that those who chose their preferences do not have the ability to chose what is natural, but God will deal with them as he sees fit. Unfortunately in today's sick perverted society with so much going ary, homosexuality is whether any of us like it or not becoming accepted as somewhat normal in some places, which is sickening, but I do have faith that will be dealt with, and I really have no pity for those who make those decisions.

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Interesting thread. Don't take me wrong, this is not directed solely at the catholic church, but I can certainly see where racksie is coming from with the hypocrisy in Churches(not any one specific religion).

Don't think a truly religious person on a spiritual level catholic priest or whatever would do these types of things, but they have and are happening with those who let evil cloud their judgement. Those who engage in pedophilia are nothing more than wolves in sheep's clothing preying on the innocent and doing it in the worst possible place. Churches are full of corruption all over, not just the catholics.

Using the bible as a resource is perfectly fine, but it is not my place to look down my nose or condemn anyone who's lifestyle I do not agree with, and I am against homosexuality. Don't think for a second that those who chose their preferences do not have the ability to chose what is natural, but God will deal with them as he sees fit. Unfortunately in today's sick perverted society with so much going ary, homosexuality is whether any of us like it or not becoming accepted as somewhat normal in some places, which is sickening, but I do have faith that will be dealt with, and I really have no pity for those who make those decisions.

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William, I feel the same way, and yes I see where Steven is coming from too. But to isolate one religion from the rest is the only reason I jumped in. I don't like how the catholic church handles these problems. Which is why I do not practice in the catholic faith anymore, I still believe. I just choose not to participate with them because of how they like to cover things up. Which is why I do not attend church anymore. When I was a kid, I was an alter boy, we never had anything like this happen in our area. So its not everywhere, just a few bad apples! But like you said too, there is CORRUPTION IN EVERY RELIGION!!!

Like I said, I still believe, but I do things on my own terms!

But I can tell you this, if a priest would have done anything to my kid! Priest or not, they would have seen God before he or she wanted too!!!
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Which this reason alone, is why I do not try to get involved in here with religious conversations! I personally think its funny to see groups fighting about religion. Because its like going to a one legged butt kicking contest! NO POINT WHAT SO EVER!
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The Catholic church gets a bad rap for one reason.

1. They they are one of, if not the, largest organizations in the world and have covered up a lot of things they shouldn't have.

The difference between them and other religions is that most people see clergy in prodistant denominations as individuals not as a part of a group. When Jimmy Swaggart solicited a prostitute people didn't say "Those United Penicostles are hireing prostitutes" It was Swaggart only.

Had the Catholic church hung their preist out on thier own like they should have, you wouldn't hear anything about them

That's their fault.

I think now they are doing things right, but the damage, unfortunately for them, is already done.

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Nope, corruption is in the church not in religion, but yes it is many churches in many different forms from the adulterers to the pedophiles to the thieves. My opinion is there is a huge difference in church and religion. A truly religious man needs no building and organized group for a church, however a church can be filled full of people who like to think they are religious because they are in the building while they may not be in the proper spiritual level where they should be, giving themselves a false sense of security, which is a true shame. Again I will say that no truly religious man in any church would partake in the type of activity that these priests, deacons, clergymen and other corrupt church officials have been engaged in that most of us have heard or read about, or are maybe even aware of some incidents where you are. Those who are there who act like they are religious and pretend to be devoted Christians while they really are preying on innocent or weak are nothing more than good actors, and God will deal with them all when the time comes.

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I meant the churches not the religion itself, sorry!

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No reason to be sorry John, think from what you posted we share kind of similar thoughts on this.