Legalize the illegals??

[Andrea]

Just got this news alert via email:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,273192,00.html

[OJR]

This thing sucks from the very beginning!

We need to get rid of all those idiots in DC and start all over! The illegals will be legal and we, the taxpayer, are going to pay more of the tab!

[wtnhunt]

Heard a little on this earlier. Heard something about they would have a "z" status, visa?

Really think it is a bad move, just another band aid on a problem that will really not permanently solve anything. I mean how many illegals do we really think are going to be running to step forward to pay the $5000 fine plus fees, and what good does it do to then make them wait a period of up to 13 years? Think this is a joke and these politicians are only fooling themselves and some of the American people who are too naive to see through this. Figures Ted Kennedy is the one leading this up, that was not mentioned in the news alert I heard, but read it in your link.

[stevebeilgard]

just an amnesty program. bush is giving away the country, and we're all going to pay for it. elections are coming.... pay attention. i'll vote conservative, not republican or democrat. and i've been both.

[bobw]

people i have no respect for politicians, lawyers and reporters ...

[Swamphunter]

people i have no respect for politicians, lawyers and reporters ...

I have a new best friend... I have been saying that for years. You must be a LEO. When people realize the problems we have in this country are caused by liberals, lawyers and the media...we'll be much better off. I could really complain in great detail about the problems they cause individually, but will spare the forum members my rant.

[Newarcher]

Just read an article talking about the hidden cost of this bill......illegals tend to be low paid people so they use more of the tax base than real Americans do by a factor of 3 to 5 : 1. If they get official rights (more than they do not) to social services like Social Security and indigent help, God help us.

Here are my feelings on this bill:

1) We have laws that we don't enforce now. Them being here is breaking the law but we don't and will not deport.

2) The only provisons of this bill that will be enforced will be the provisons that benefit the illegals. Why would someone working and living here without punishment line up to be fined, be sent back home, and then wait in the same line they circumvented when they came here illegally?

3) The whole status of this new class of citizen will become a political wrangling issue that neither side can afford to lose because of the votes. So all the provisions that make the illegals get in line, pay fines, leave the Country will be thrown to the side by both parties positioning for the newest voting block.

4) The whole citizenship issues is mute. Most mexicans don't want to become American citizens, learn our language or assimilate in any way. Work, send money home so they can eventually return to mexico wealthy.

I understand that the Senate will pass it...both my GA Senators wrote parts of it so they claim it isn't amnesty. Well, let me tell you, the fact that we won't deport anyone means that as soon as the soles of your feet touch mother Earth here in the US, you become a defacto citizen without any of the responsibilities of taxes, etc. My understanding is that the best chance of killing this bill will be to write/email your Representative in the House as there are pacts of them lining up against this bill.

Only when we revolt will they stand up and take notice.

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[wtnhunt]

Got to agree with you here New. This bill and entire idea is a bunch of garbage and is huge waste for the time they have put into it, but unfortunately that is really nothing new. Think it is a distraction away from the real problems and how to solve them and if it goes through will only further giving away our country.

Our lawmakers need to quit with this pc crap and put pressure on those who are responsible for enforcing the laws that are already there instead of trying to change something to make it easier for lawbreakers, who obviously are the ones who are crying loudest.

[Newarcher]

I also failed to talk about the additional layers of bureaucracy that will be created to manage employer's worker verification system and the processing of the illegals for citizenship.

I would, however, be surprised if this law would increase citizenship requests at all. The illegals are here to take our money and then go back to mexico when they retire rich (relatively anyway). They don't like our country nor our culture and generally want nothing to do with it. Hence the reason we are teach our kids spanish instead of teaching the illegals English.

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[wtnhunt]

The illegals are here to take our money and then go back to mexico when they retire rich (relatively anyway). They don't like our country nor our culture and generally want nothing to do with it.

Don't hardly agree with that New. Some are here to stay and adamantly refuse to leave. Many want to change things here so it better suits them to stay. And as you well know, those who are here and here illegally are DEMANDING rights that are not even afforded to legal law abiding tax payers. I mean from there vantage point, I guess it would be nice to be able to come across the border and get free health care and other rights and be able to not have to worry about paying taxes, then gripe and moan about how they are being treated unfairly while they are not even here legally. That is where the politically correct crap and being afraid to do what is really right seems to be a problem for some of these like Kennedy. It burns me up that these idiotic lawmakers are actually concerned with the rights of illegals who really in my opinion have no rights to the rights that are afforded to American citizens and those who are here legally.

They come here illegally, wont leave when they are encountered, protest and claim they don't like it here, but still continue to stick around and take advantage of the weak enforcement of laws in this country.

The answer to this problem is not new legislation, the answer is to crack down and enforce the laws that are already in place no matter who it offends. About the only positive I have heard about this legislation they are working on now is that they did decide not to try to force it through prior to this holiday weekend. Maybe just maybe enough will recognize or realize that this is a very bad idea.

[Newarcher]

Don't hardly agree with that New. Some are here to stay and adamantly refuse to leave. Many want to change things here so it better suits them to stay. And as you well know, those who are here and here illegally are DEMANDING rights that are not even afforded to legal law abiding tax payers. I mean from there vantage point, I guess it would be nice to be able to come across the border and get free health care and other rights and be able to not have to worry about paying taxes, then gripe and moan about how they are being treated unfairly while they are not even here legally. That is where the politically correct crap and being afraid to do what is really right seems to be a problem for some of these like Kennedy. It burns me up that these idiotic lawmakers are actually concerned with the rights of illegals who really in my opinion have no rights to the rights that are afforded to American citizens and those who are here legally.

They come here illegally, wont leave when they are encountered, protest and claim they don't like it here, but still continue to stick around and take advantage of the weak enforcement of laws in this country.

The answer to this problem is not new legislation, the answer is to crack down and enforce the laws that are already in place no matter who it offends. About the only positive I have heard about this legislation they are working on now is that they did decide not to try to force it through prior to this holiday weekend. Maybe just maybe enough will recognize or realize that this is a very bad idea.


Right, there is a block of mexicans who clearly state that their plan is to infiltrate the Southwest (which they wrongly believe is theirs) and begin taking it over by getting voting rights in local elections. The democrats have already proposed doing just that....letting illegal aliens vote.

However, I am talking about the average illegal. They aren't coming here because America is the land of opportunity and they want to join in and build a better country. They come here and work, send butt loads of money (relatively speaking) back home, and eventually they retire and go back home to live like kings. I have talked to several who do this.

The answer is to permanently and completely seal the border between us and Mexico. Then begin enforcing the laws we have and deport them when you find them. Next, start kicking the butt of those employers who hire them and the landlords who house them. If the fines start putting businesses out of business, then others won't be tempted. I daily break the speeding law because the penalties and fines arern't stong enough to convince me to stop. However, if you there was a 2 day jail sentence and a 10,000 fine mandated for each offense, I wouldn't ever speed.

I believe it was someone on this board that had their vehicle rearended by an illegal who had no license or insurance and the illegal was let go. I would be crawling up my senator's rear until that Police Chief and officer were gone.

All of this is just talk because our legislators have already given up the fight to the illegals and refuse to do anything about them.

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[wtnhunt]

The answer is to permanently and completely seal the border between us and Mexico. Then begin enforcing the laws we have and deport them when you find them. Next, start kicking the butt of those employers who hire them and the landlords who house them. If the fines start putting businesses out of business, then others won't be tempted. I daily break the speeding law because the penalties and fines arern't stong enough to convince me to stop. However, if you there was a 2 day jail sentence and a 10,000 fine mandated for each offense, I wouldn't ever speed.


Think we all can pretty well agree that if the laws that currently exist were being enforced as they should be a big part of this problem be being better controlled in the first place. Hate to say it, but the law enforcement officials who are on border control should have every right to fire on those who do not stop at the border without having to be concerned about being held on charges for doing their job. Maybe enough illegals start getting shot as they are crossing, the word will get out that it is not such a great idea, and that the chance is pretty high that they may very well be risking their life.

Kind of a harsh joke in a way and I may catch some flack for putting this out, but hypothetically have to wonder if something like this would get the message across. Anyone remember those remote guns that were on the game farm in Texas that was so controversial, well maybe they might have a use after all. Line the remote camera operated guns up all along the border fence that should be going up and have some officers on pc's on the ready, officers give warnings to not continue and then fire non fatal shots if the illegal intruders do not turn around. Of course that is not really a serious consideration, but all kidding aside something more has to be done, what does it have to take to stop the illegal entry into the country. Obviously the most often empty threats of deportation do not work and even when they are deported, most of the time they come right back across. There is no room in jails here for them and there should not be, that would only continue to be a further burden on the taxpayers and the already overcrowded system would have to continue to let out those criminals who have no place being loose.

This liberal notion that giving the opportunity to those who have no regard for our laws will come forward and adhere to the laws that are changed to better accommodate them is just more ignorance and is nothing but a waste of time and money.

I agree as well with you on stiffer penalties for employers who are using illegals. Some of what is happening out there now is unreal, I mean there are credit card and mortgage companies knowingly giving loans to illegals, colleges are knowingly allowing illegals to attend schools, this type of thing should not be happening. Unless our lawmakers start looking at fixing those problems the situation will only continue to get worse until eventually it gets to the point where it is too late, which in my opinion is not that far off.

[Newarcher]

WTN,

I agree with pretty much everything you said.

In no way should drug smugglers be able to fire on our border patrol and overtake them like has happened. They need to put the National Guard on the border with automatic 50 cal bmg's mounted on tripods in the backs of jeeps. Fire.

The really funny thing is mexico griping and complaining about us putting up fences and not accepting the immigrants. However, have you ever heard how they treat other nationalities that sneak into mexico? Not nicely I can promise you.

I want to make it very clear that I don't hate mexicans and other people wanting to come here to help feed their families. Some of the nicest, most hard working and honest, family people I have met have been meixicans. But we have laws. I wouldn't oppose the US saying "Hey, we are building a fence along the entire border with mexico (heck I would volunteer to help for free) to secure our borders. We are also going to liberalize the number of immigrants allowed in and revamp the system to significantly decrease the time to get a Visa/Green Card/Citizenship". Just control the borders and know who is coming in. Many of the people sneaking in have SIGNIFICANT police records and are dangerous.

The right thing to do is to enforce the laws on our books. If the US population wants a change to those laws, then change THOSE laws. Don't go making new laws that create a one-sided benefit to the causes of the problem JUST to fix the fact that you refused to enforce THE ORIGINAL laws.

New

[sabotmaker]

"The American Indians found out what happens when you don't control immigration."

[ky_deerhunter_77]

The only good use for an illegal Mexican is target practise. They come over here, have kids, (which are legal Americans in the eyes of the government), and send most of the money back to Mexico so more can come in. And to top it all off the legal ones get ALL of the tax money back on everything they bought.

The problem is most people don't come in contact with this scum. THE ONLY WAY TO GET ANYTHING DONE IS TO TAKE BACK THE GOVERMENT !!!!!! And I mean Congressman and Congresswoman should only be in office for no more than 8 years just like the President. And only when we get ride of people like Ted Kennedy will we be able to let the "people's voice be heard".