Did We Really Go to the Moon?

[FatFreddy]

What does everybody think of this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1UEv2PIzl4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1UEv2PIzl4)

At the 2 minute 35 second mark of the video the flag is still. When the astronaut goes past it, it starts to move.

There's an analysis of it here at the 3 minute 5 second mark.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rC1legw5-gs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rC1legw5-gs)

It looks like we got fooled.

[wtnhunt]

Welcome to the forums.

Have had some questions and thoughts on this topic before. Think this could be an interesting topic.

[slugshooter]

Yes, we have been to the moon...and Elvis is dead also.

It's amazing, they've had footage of this for 40 years and this is the first time someone has noticed a flag moving?

And over the course of 40 years, if this was all just an elaborate hoax, someone with direct knowledge surely would have spilled the beans by now, they always do, because humans are innately selfish and would relish the publicity as well as the money.

I am also not completely sure what the video's are trying to prove, since I am sure the person or person's who made them have been about as close to space as I have, as well as have already completed their PhD.s and become astrophysicists as I have.

In the second video, at the 5 minute mark, there is a high tech explanation that proves that man never made it to the moon. It involves construction paper and a photograph. Prepare to be amazed and upset that all you ever knew has just fallen by the wayside.

Yes, Elvis is dead, and terrorists flew commercial jetliners into the WTC causing them to collapse, not a controlled explosion; and Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone.

[Nut]

Elvis is dead?:confused:

:D

[stevebeilgard]

first, welcome to realtree. next, mark is right... elvis is dead. sorry, but conspiracy theorists are out there everywhere. we've been to the moon, we've got a space station, only one guy shot kennedy, and we can go on and on.

[FatFreddy]

There's a lot of video evidence that the missions were faked.

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There's a noticeable difference in the body movements in these two clips.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdMvQTNLaUE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdMvQTNLaUE)
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/a11v.1101330.rm (http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/a11v.1101330.rm)

What I hypothesize is that only slow-motion was used in Apollo 11. Later, they improved thier methods of simulating lunar gravity and started using a combination of slow-motion and support wires. The slow-motion in the later missions might not have been exactly half-speed. It might have been sixty five or seventy percent of natural speed. It looked better but it was inconsistent with Apollo 11 footage. The inconsistency is apparent.

At around the 21 minute mark of this video the above footage from Apollo 11 can be seen played at double speed.
http://video.google.es/videoplay?docid=4135126565081757736&q=apollo (http://video.google.es/videoplay?docid=4135126565081757736&q=apollo)

It looks just like movement in earth gravity.
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If you look at the acceleration of the object that falls from the astronaut's backpack and the acceleration of the hammer and feather that fall, it's apparent that the there's a difference in the way gravity affects the objects differently.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5C5_dOEyAfk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5C5_dOEyAfk)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AK2Fy85VyRg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AK2Fy85VyRg)

Evidently the slow-motion speed is different.
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Here are some videos.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgID31UpYfA&NR=1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgID31UpYfA&NR=1)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6MvcIs4OcQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6MvcIs4OcQ)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdMvQTNLaUE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdMvQTNLaUE)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQj-Mh__fRc&NR=1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQj-Mh__fRc&NR=1)
http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=sgID31UpYfA (http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=sgID31UpYfA)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vENebR5hsRs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vENebR5hsRs)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5278489814268946247 (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5278489814268946247)

This is interesting.
http://www.nardwuar.com/vs/bill_kaysing/ (http://www.nardwuar.com/vs/bill_kaysing/)
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/moon.htm (http://www.apfn.org/apfn/moon.htm)
http://www.aulis.com/skeleton.html (http://www.aulis.com/skeleton.html)
http://erichufschmid.net/Interview-with-Bart-Sibrel.html (http://erichufschmid.net/Interview-with-Bart-Sibrel.html)


The astronauts look pretty nervous at the press conference.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RcKLAo62Ro (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RcKLAo62Ro)

Their behavior look pretty suspicious here too. It begins in the second half of the video.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2265515730495966561 (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2265515730495966561)

Some people say the moon rocks prove we went to the moon.
There are a lot of plausible alternative scenarios for the moon rocks. All we have are documents that say they are real. If we aren't geologists in a laboratory looking at the rocks, we have no way of verifying that what we read is reflects reality.
There may be a lot of scientists who have sold out and are lying about the rocks and we only read what they say.
If there is video evidence that some of the footage was faked, it was probably all faked. Video evidence trumps what some documents or journals say as people can write lies.
Here are some possible scenarios for the rocks.
http://www.nardwuar.com/vs/bill_kaysing/index.html (http://www.nardwuar.com/vs/bill_kaysing/index.html)
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Another point here is that the moon rocks were fake. Are the moon rocks real?
No, they are not real. NASA has a well-developed ceramics laboratory with high-temperature ovens-
That's another way NASA could prove they went to the moon, 'cause they brought back these rocks. Interestingly enough, at the University of British Columbia here, David Strangway, the President of U.B.C., was the guy in charge of inspecting the moon rocks.
OK, fine, why don't you call him up and ask him what he thinks about them.
So what happened, the moon rocks were not real?
No, they were manufactured on Earth to look like moon rocks, but since nobody has any moon rocks to compare them with, it's very simple to make up a moon rock and say, hey, this came from the moon.
Well, how would you know it is a moon rock? Like, how do you know it's not a moon rock - how do you know it's a fake?
I had a Seattle geologist who examined moon rocks and he said, "There's no question, Bill, that these rocks were made in a laboratory on Earth."
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http://www.erichufschmid.net/MoreInfoForScienceChallenge.html (http://www.erichufschmid.net/MoreInfoForScienceChallenge.html)
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9) Moon rocks are in Antarctica?
Barbara Cohen, a researcher from the University of New Mexico, was picking up rocks in Antarctica. She sent them to Houston, Texas for an analysis.
The scientists in Houston discovered that one of the Antarctic rocks closely matched the NASA moon rocks.
The scientists then concluded that one of the rocks from Antarctica was actually from the moon:
www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6620370/ (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6620370/)
How did rocks from the moon get in Antarctica?
NASA and Ms. Cohen want us to believe that a big meteor crashed into the moon a while ago, and pieces of the moon were sent flying into space. A few of those pieces landed in Antarctica.
Take a look at how far away the moon is from the earth. If it were true that rocks were ejected from the moon with such velocity that they could escape the moon's gravity and fly out into space, what are the chances that any of them would survive the fall through the atmosphere and land on tiny Antarctica hundreds of thousands of kilometers away? Furthermore, the rock has to land in a location where humans can find it many years later.
A more sensible explanation is that the NASA moon rocks were rocks from Antarctica.
Therefore, when someone travels to Antarctica and sends rock samples to Houston, Texas for analysis, some of the rocks will closely match the Apollo moon rocks.
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I've seen lots of what I'd call conclusive proof that the missions were faked but I've never seen anything I'd call conclusive proof that they really happened. If someone has something he or she considers conclusive proof that they were real, post it and we can talk about whether it's really conclusive proof.

[Tominator]

Fat Freddy,

OK, I'll bite. What's your angle?

2 posts, both of them asking questions about the Apollo missions.

So what do you want to know, and why are you coming to a hunting forum asking these questions? :confused:

Read First Man, then see if you have the same questions. Yes, we went to the moon.

[DIRTY DUKE]

It was all cooked up to scare the Russians :D........sorry but someone had to say it.

[Ohiobucks]

first, welcome to realtree. next, mark is right... elvis is dead. sorry, but conspiracy theorists are out there everywhere. we've been to the moon, we've got a space station, only one guy shot kennedy, and we can go on and on.

Bigfoot, 9/11, Milli-Vanilli, the list goes on and on.....:D

BTW, welcome to earth, I mean the forums.....;) :cool: :D

[WaCoyote]

OMG!

[TreeStandBowHunter]

Fat Freddy,

OK, I'll bite. What's your angle?

2 posts, both of them asking questions about the Apollo missions.



That's what I was about to say. Are you marketing for NASA:D

Also I agree with Slugo. People come up with some weird stuff and people who are gulible enough fall for it. We went to the moon because there is evidence. Just like there is evidence that Elvis is in deed dead. So is snoop puffy or what ever that rappers name was that was killed in Las Vegas.

[FatFreddy]

Why doesn't somebody analyze something I posted and say why it's wrong if you are so sure they really went to the moon?

[Andrea]

Why doesn't somebody analyze something I posted and say why it's wrong if you are so sure they really went to the moon?

You have to realize it seems rather odd for you to come on a hunting forum and post this question. Do you even hunt? Why are you asking us about this anyway???? I have deer to hunt and shoot rather than waste time wondering if we really landed on the moon.;)

[LifeNRA]

It looks like we got fooled.

Just take your meds and you will be fine! LMBO!!! :D:D:D

[slugshooter]

Why doesn't somebody analyze something I posted and say why it's wrong if you are so sure they really went to the moon?

I did analyze that second video link that was posted, you know the one with the high tech video analysis that was done in some geeks basement with a piece of construction paper and a photograph. Based on that, I can pretty much surmise that the rest of the video links you posted are garbage and of the same technical quality. If you are so sure that we haven't been to the moon, why don't you give us some of your expert reasoning instead of posting video links from people who are so called "experts."

I have read convincing arguments that Elvis is dead...guess what...it doesn't change the fact that h is 6 feet under in a box in Memphis. If Elvis was alive, I am sure he'd be pretty bored by now and come out of hiding.

I have also read convincing arguments that Paul McCartney is dead, but it doesn't change the fact that he is in fact alive and well and richer than all of us put together.

And last but not least, there are "convincing" arguments that a fighter jet plowed into the Pentagon on 9/11/01...but until you have seen actual FBI photos of the devastation, as I have, where there is a big hole punched through all five rings of the Pentagon, each diminishing in size as the plane disintegrated...then I guess you will believe anything.

[wtnhunt]

I have also read convincing arguments that Paul McCartney is dead, but it doesn't change the fact that he is in fact alive and well and richer than all of us put together.


You have heard that conspiracy theory to huh Marc? Heard that several years ago, and thought it was interesting even though I did not believe it.

[Tominator]

It looks like we got fooled.

CRAP!

OK, now what?

:D

[DIRTY DUKE]

You have heard that conspiracy theory to huh Marc? Heard that several years ago, and thought it was interesting even though I did not believe it. Around the same time as the real Paul reportedly died in a crash, a Canadian Paul McCartney look alike went missing and has never been heard of again.;)

Seriously.

[Nut]

:cool:I've been chasing a BiGFoot creature here.:D




What kind of hunting is there to do in Spain?:confused:

[buckee]

Craziest thread I ever did see :confused:
I'll just watch if you don't mind ...LOL:D

[LifeNRA]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v60/LifeNRA/popcorn.gif

[slugshooter]

:cool:I've been chasing a BiGFoot creature here.:D




What kind of hunting is there to do in Spain?:confused:

Isn't that jdickey's job???;)

[DIRTY DUKE]

All joking aside I really do have a bigfoot type story/sighting that has haunted me since archery season 2004. We should have a thread stickied for this as many outdoors types as we have here there would be some wild storys told I'm sure.

[stevebeilgard]

if there is one consistany in all the "theories" and photos taken of sasquatch and lock ness monster... they are all foggy. heck, with modern photo equipment, why does every new photo look like it was taken in 1920?

[Jeramie]

Bigfoot, 9/11, Milli-Vanilli, the list goes on and on.....:D

BTW, welcome to earth, I mean the forums.....;) :cool: :D


LMBO! That made my day right there.... :D

[Andrea]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v60/LifeNRA/popcorn.gif


I busted out laughing at this one. Thanks!!!!!:D:D:D:D

[FatFreddy]

Here's a possible reason for why they had to fake it.

http://www.geocities.com/apollotruth/ (http://www.geocities.com/apollotruth/)
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There is an old saying that "A liar needs a good memory". Nowhere is this more true than in the Apollo program. NASA tell lies to cover up previous lies, and other discrepancies uncovered by people investigating the Moon landings. Altering previous data, removing photographs, and retracting statements made, only re-enforces the evidence that NASA are on the run, and being forced into a corner to which they cannot escape. The actions of those under investigation makes the investigator more aware they are bluffing. The longer that person, or persons, who make the extravagant claims continue, the more lies they have to tell in order to counteract it, until it reaches the point where it becomes ridiculous. That point was passed in July 1999, when NASA officials were questioned about the Moon landings on television. They dodged the all important questions like a drifter dodges the heat.


Many Apollo astronauts have long since died, as to have many of the original NASA officials involved in the scam, consequently current officials, who know that Apollo was a fake, have not quite got it right when talking openly in public. Perhaps the biggest slip of the tongue was made by NASA Chief Dan Goldin when interviewed by UK TV journalist Sheena McDonald in 1994. He said that mankind cannot venture beyond Earth orbit, 250 miles into space, until they can find a way to overcome the dangers of cosmic radiation. He must have forgot that they supposedly sent 27 astronauts 250,000 miles outside Earth orbit 36 years earlier.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vENebR5hsRs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vENebR5hsRs)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZ65d30kYME (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZ65d30kYME)

two sets of radiation data
http://hey_223.tripod.com/bulldoglebeautaketooooo/id82.html (http://hey_223.tripod.com/bulldoglebeautaketooooo/id82.html)
(excerpt)
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To prove his thesis, Rene tries to get certain solar data from NATIONAL
OCEANIC & ATMOSPHERIC ADMINISTRATION, (NOAA) using clever techniques
to
disguise his true intentions, [i.e. to get true data on solar flares.] NOAA,
unfortunately, proved to be as cagey as Rene in dodging the giving out of any
really good DETAILS on this matter, [you know, where the devil resides.]

Rene, seeing games being played, deduced that there must be two sets of data,
one which is sent to scientists on the preferred list, and one sent to the
likes of Rene as casual strangers. (p.125)
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http://ocii.com/~dpwozney/apollo5.htm (http://ocii.com/~dpwozney/apollo5.htm)
http://www.erichufschmid.net/MoreInfoForScienceChallenge.html (http://www.erichufschmid.net/MoreInfoForScienceChallenge.html)
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=9659&hl=apollo (http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=9659&hl=apollo)

[Texan_Til_I_Die]

I don't usually advocate the feeding of trolls, but in this case I'll make an exception and ask a question.

The entire reason we went to the moon was to upstage the Soviet Union. And us beating them to it was a huge humiliation for them. Now, with the entire espionage forces of the KGB looking into every aspect of U.S. government activities during that period, don't you think THEY would have found "proof", if any existed, of the "fake" moon landings?

So what you're trying to tell us is that these so-called investigators are better at digging up secrets than the KGB? :eek:

Yeah, right. And I can beat Tiger Woods at golf any time I want to.

And just one more question that you won't have a good answer to...

If the first moon landing WAS faked, why not stop there? Why fake five more landings? That's just five more chances of getting caught????

[buckee]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v60/LifeNRA/popcorn.gif Thanks John

[slugshooter]

I will admit, this is starting to get kind of old. I would play the clip from geocities, because I know they have all sorts of scientific data on there:rolleyes:, but my google pop-up blocker won't let me, so I guess I will have to continue to be ignorant.

If the head of NASA supposedly made that statement on UK television, then the major networks in the US would have picked up on it and played it continuously, because they like nothing more than to make a US government official look like an idiot. As well as the fact that if there were questions of whether or not we went to the moon, people in higher places than geocities and youtube would be investigating it.

I like John's comment, if the KGB couldn't disprove it, then some geek in his basement surely won't. As well as the fact that if it was faked, there would have been a lot more moon missions then what there were.

This is almost getting to the point where it needs to be locked, before one of us...or me:D, says what is really on our minds.


P.S.- Seeing as how I have a really bad cold now, and possibly the flu, I am gonna go blow my nose because what is gonna wind up in the tissue is more interesting than the video's you've been posting.

[FatFreddy]

The entire reason we went to the moon was to upstage the Soviet Union. And us beating them to it was a huge humiliation for them. Now, with the entire espionage forces of the KGB looking into every aspect of U.S. government activities during that period, don't you think THEY would have found "proof", if any existed, of the "fake" moon landings?
You're just assuming that the official version of things reflected what was really going on. Who knows what was really happening behind the scenes?

This is a possible explanation.
http://www.nardwuar.com/vs/bill_kaysing/index.html
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Well, why did they keep faking the Apollo flights, I still don't understand. Did the Soviet Union know it was faked? Why did they keep shut up if they knew it was faked? 'Cause a lot of people would think they kept the moon race going to prove the U.S. was better than the Soviet Union. If the Soviet Union knew, why did they let the U.S. get away with this?
Well, I'll tell you - at the highest levels there is a coalition between governments. In other words, the Soviets said, if you won't tell on us - and they faked most of their space exploration flights - we won't tell on you. It's as simple as that. See, what Apollo is, is the beginning of the end of the ability of the government to hoodwink and bamboozle and manipulate the people. More and more people are becoming aware in the U.S. that the government is totally and completely public enemy number one.
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Have you read Chomsky's analysis of the cold war?
http://www.zmag.org/chomsky/sam/sam-3-1.html
http://www.zmag.org/Chomsky/dd/dd-c01-s01.html

The official version of what's going on is almost never true.

[okiedog]

You may get more of the arguments you are looking for on this forum.
http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=33585

So... how is your hunting season going Fat Freddy?

[Southerngirl]

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[Nut]

The rain in Spain stays mainly in the plain!
:D

[slugshooter]

Well, I'll tell you - at the highest levels there is a coalition between governments. In other words, the Soviets said, if you won't tell on us - and they faked most of their space exploration flights - we won't tell on you.

You cannot be serious!?!? You mean to tell me, that our "Cold War" enemy, the one that our government officials went one on one with and almost had a nuclear war with, was actually our counterpart. So...if that was the case, then all these people that got shot or imprisoned for life for espionage, was that faked, or just something to continue the ruse that we were enemies??

You need to give us some cold hard facts there buddy, and not stuff from other conspiracy theorists with video's posted on youtube and geocities.

[buckee]

Freddy, do you think the Holicost was a fake too ?:confused:

[OJR]

Freddy, do you think the Holicost was a fake too ?:confused:

concentration camp in Germany! Not a pleasant sight even 20 years after it was active!:(:(

I think this whole thread is plain ridiculous!:(:(

[stevebeilgard]

concentration camp in Germany! Not a pleasant sight even 20 years after it was active!:(:(

I think this whole thread is plain ridiculous!:(:(


i agree, orlan. no sence in trying to convince someone when all you have is the truth and facts. it just never sets as well as a good rumor.;)

[Tominator]

Fat Freddy needs to stand 3 miles from a Saturn V and watch it go off like I did one day. :cool:



But, I suppose he has a rational explanation for that too.:D

[Nut]

I believe in black helicopters:D

[wtnhunt]

Think this thread has gotten just a bit off topic and has run its course.

[buckee]

I believe in black helicopters:D

I don't :D