Interracial relationships

[shotupdeer]

Whats everyones opinion on them? I have no problem with them. After all, we are all people regardless of the color of our skin.

[wtnhunt]

Dont think it is fair to the kids that often are a result.

[shotupdeer]

And why is that?

[wtnhunt]

Because whether people like you like it or not there is racist ideas out there held by both blacks and whites and others as well. There is on all sides still those out there with so much hatred they will resort to violent acts against those who are different from them. These kids often do not fit in and are subjected to hatred from kids who do not accept them.

It is not natural in my opinion and YES I will say it I am against interracial relationships, reason I stated being the primary reason.

So why do you think it is right?

[TreeStandBowHunter]

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Dont think it is fair to the kids that often are a result.

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I like that answer. Me myself, I would NEVER enter in an inter-racial relationship and will DO EVERYTHING I CAN, to have my kids not wind up in one either. Now personnaly, I don't care what people do or who they are married to but when it comes to my family, I will do my best not to let it happen. Do I see anything wrong with it, Nope...as long as it has nothing to do with my family http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

And like wtnhunt says, I think it is often times hard on the children that are so often the result.

[buckee]

I see nothing wrong with inter-racial relationships.
Heck, I'm Irish and married a Dutch girl. http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif

[Norm Sauceman]

I think kids are more tollerable now days than back when I was a kid,,stone age...actually 60's...I have absolutely NO problem with interrational couples at all. We all are humans and we are all capable of love.

[MadHuntinPastor]

Good call Norm. It may come with hardships at first, but it is much more excepted in other parts of the country. Here in DC it is very common due to the diversity of our schools for many years now. Look at our Nation's history....... it used to not be cool to marry a Native American.....then maybe an Italian.....then a Puerto Rican....etc.

We all bleed the same color.

[TreeStandBowHunter]

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Actually the...Ra..uh..uh...Mid-Eastern people bleed what seems like a darker red http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif


Also, I wasn't exactly talking about different countries here. I took the post as he meant Black-White-Mexican..etc...not Polish and Dutch or German. Just to clarify that.

[MadHuntinPastor]

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Also, I wasn't exactly talking about different countries here. I took the post as he meant Black-White-Mexican..etc...not Polish and Dutch or German. Just to clarify that.

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Mexico is a Country http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

My point was just saying that years ago it was considered wrong to marry a "foriegner" and now it is accepted. White and Black is still pretty new in most parts. Still no difference. There are also "difficulties" when people marry someone from a different culture or religion. Overcoming difficulties is what makes us stronger.....Like a Mature Whitetail Buck!

[TreeStandBowHunter]

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Also, I wasn't exactly talking about different countries here. I took the post as he meant Black-White-Mexican..etc...not Polish and Dutch or German. Just to clarify that.

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Mexico is a Country http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

My point was just saying that years ago it was considered wrong to marry a "foriegner" and now it is accepted. White and Black is still pretty new in most parts. Still no difference. There are also "difficulties" when people marry someone from a different culture or religion. Overcoming difficulties is what makes us stronger.....Like a Mature Whitetail Buck!

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Yeah, I guess Mexico is a country http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

When I read the post, I was thinking Black and White...that was it. That is the first thing that usually pops into people's minds when you start talking about interracial relationship.

I guess what I am saying is I am not worried about my kids marriying into a different culture ie, swedish, polish, dutch to name a few. What I am saying is that I would never enter a Black and White relationship and would try to sway my children into not doing that either. I do not look down on people that do. Hey..to each is own right? I am just answering the post. I am saying that I never would and hope that my boys dont as well. That's all. Sometimes your fingers don't type exactly what you are trying to say http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[JimT]

Why is this in the politics room???? To answer your question, I have no problem with mixed couples. Anyone that does needs to stop living the past. It is past y2k. Time to grow up. What wrong with milado kids or whatever? I know several. They are no different than anyone else.

[Strut10]

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I think Norm's right. Problem is.........there's still a bunch of old, biggoted ignoramuses out there. I could forsee the difficulties that could arise for children of a mixed racial background. Would I agree that those difficulties warrant staying out of an interracial relationship?? Nope. Not if it's what makes you both happy. I suspect that there would be a whole bunch of us old married folk who would still be single if we would have chickened out over possible strikes against our futures or the opinions of others.

[TreeStandBowHunter]

I could see this coming a mile away...Anyway, LIKE I SAID, I do not have a problem with it either. I would just never do it and I hope my kids dont either. We all know problems in kids and marriages can occur in any marriage but the chances are greater in a mixed relationship. Look, being in the Marine Corps, which is very diverse, there are and I know alot of inter-racial married couples and so many times I have seen them fail and the kids are the middle of it. Again, I know it can happen in ANY family but the statistics are there folks, rather you want to believe them or not.

[slugshooter]

I have no problem with it, strip off the outer shell and we all look the same. My fiance's older sister is married to a black man and he is one of the best people I know. I personally am not really attracted to African-American girls so I can't really see myself in an interracial relationship, except maybe Halle Berry or Beyonce, thats about the only two, but, you can't control who you fall in love with. I read a report a couple years ago that black women were increasingly dating outside their race because black women are more likely to advance their education or careers wheras black men are more likely to not make anything of themselves. I personally don't have a problem with it, to each his own

[Mathews XT Man]

I dont know of any Biblical warnings of this....dont see why it should matter, after all, like they say, love is blind.

[slugshooter]

Like I said previously , my fiance's sister is married to a black man and they have a beautiful baby girl who is smart as heck for a three year old. WAKE UP and get in the now. One of these days hopefully we'll be through with racists.

[buckee]

Moses was married to an Ethiopian woman.

We're all the same in God's eyes, it's too bad some of us still hold on to some form of bigotry.
I know a lot of black and white, yellow and white, red and white...whatever....couples. They are all happily married, great kids and the kids didn't get hassled while growing up. The only kids who hassle kids from mixed marriages, are kids who are brought up to believe it's somehow wrong.
My Grandmother on my Dad's side and my Dad, are bigots too. But if you called them that, they would deny it...LOL.
Funny how some people think.

And Toolman ....let this be a warning to you. The next time I see a post in this room, with a racist trash reference to black folks, like the one I deleted above, I will personally boot your sorry BUTT out of here, just because your a racist...got it...good. http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif

[buckee]

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[TreeStandBowHunter]

Toolman...DUDE....we might see you on the last train out man

[JimT]

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[TreeStandBowHunter]

http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif Hey, who needs to watch a comedy, there is enough right here http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Man I am ROTFLMBOFF http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[buckee]

I'm no foreigner .. I work here http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[VermontHunter]

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You are a forigner not me.

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I'm no foreigner .. I work here http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

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LOL...That's just too rich.... http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

[VermontHunter]

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You are a forigner not me.

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I'm no foreigner .. I work here http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

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LOL...That's just too rich.... http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

[buckee]

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[VermontHunter]

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I think something has frozen http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

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Now there's a weak attempt to a bad disguise.... http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[buckee]

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[OJR]

Let's get back to the original post!

It doesn't make one bit of difference what a persons skin color is. It is the character that counts.

My son is married to a "white" gal and she is the most dispecable person on the face of the earth! Do I say anything! NO! He married her, I didn't and he is going to have to live with it!

Is it so impossible for us as human beings to accept anyone as long as they don't do anything to harm you? If a person treats me right, I will treat them right. If a person steps on me, I will step back! Simple, but I don't turn my back on someone just because their skin is a different color, their religion is different or because they vote different from what I do or am.

[VermontHunter]

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Is it so impossible for us as human beings to accept anyone as long as they don't do anything to harm you? If a person treats me right, I will treat them right. If a person steps on me, I will step back! Simple, but I don't turn my back on someone just because their skin is a different color, their religion is different or because they vote different from what I do or am.


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Im with ya on that...I don't think it can be any better said.... http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[TreeStandBowHunter]

Last Train...LMAO http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif I just noticed that http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif This is too dang funny man

[TreeStandBowHunter]

I can't take much more of this http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif. I am reading a few replys up from this and I am falling off my chair. http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gifI can just picture Toolman locked in a box and trying to get out...I am dying here http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Shaun_300]

so am I TSBH!! http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif I just noticed Last Train LOL!! http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif let him have it Buckee!! he's trashin' us Canadians ehhhh! http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif

[Steven]

Ok, unfortunately the highway kept me from reading toolman's original post before "the fastest delete key in the west" got ahold of him (you know I love ya, Buckee), but I have read some of the other caveman nonsense that toolman has posted before and I feel comfortable in saying that he is NOT the representitive of the great state of Georgia. This is the NEW SOUTH, son. If anyone wishes to find someone to use as a representitive for Georgia, look to me, I think most of you know me well enough to know what I'm about.

Anyway. I have zero problem with interracial relationships. My sister was married to one of the biggest pieces of white trash you will ever stumble upon. Luckily, she got smart and dumped his sorry posterior last July. She dated a Mexican guy after that. One of the nicest most genuine humans I have EVER been lucky enough to know, unfortunately, it didn't work out. Sure, in the past, milado children may have had problems, well, people had problems with them, the children didn't have the problem, but I think that has been almost eliminated from society because the dinosaurs are dying off thankfully.

Anybody who has problems with interracial relationships has deeper problems than that. My advice, get over yourself. It'd be different if they were doing it on your sofa and making you watch, but they have as much right to be happy as you do. Too bad for you that it's not 1905 anymore.

[wtnhunt]

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I will stand by what I said, and guess you are suggesting I have a problem Racksie. I do not think so, but hey maybe I do. I have never viewed myself as a racist, have had several good friends that were not white over the years.

I still say it is not fair to the kids, for the reasons I stated in my last post. If a couple, interracial, is together that is their decision and that, I dont guess I really have a problem with. When they have a kid is where I see a problem begins.

You asked my thoughts, I gave my honest opinion. If my honesty makes me out to be viewed as something I am not then, well I guess I really could careless what you think.

[buckee]

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[VermontHunter]

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[Shaun_300]

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[HuntingInMaine]

I am white, and would have no problem dating a person who is a different color then I am, but Maine is a very 'white' state (oh yeah, and I am engaged so all done with the dating scene!)

If two people love each other than that is all that matters. Other people's opinions on them having children or being together is there own problem that they need to work through.

There probably isn't a person alive who didn't suffer some amount of teasing during their childhood. If they aren't of a mixed descent, then they will be teased because of their name, hair, freckles, clothes, or anything else kids can find to make fun of.

My father told my sister and I that we were to only date people from our own "tribe", but he didn't have a racist view of others. I think it is a bunch of B.S.. When you have no racist views that means you can look at another person and see past whatever is on the outside and see the person they really are.

It is sad that people are still so hung up on what amounts to differing levels of pigment in one's skin cells!!!

[Shaun_300]

VERY well said HuntingInMaine!! http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[johnf]

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Untill Bukee goes down to Georgia and pulls out a can of woop a$$ he's not a forigner. BTW opinions are not necessarily truth. So here is my opinion.

I have taught in 3 different racial situations.

1. 95% White 2% Laocian 3% hispanic

2. 65% White 30% Black 5% hispanic

3. 80% Black 15% White 5% hispanic

Here is what I have decided about interacial relationships.
There is nothing in the bible that says it's wrong. Therefor it is not a sin. However, there are lots of problems inhearent with these relationships. Most of them have nothing to do with the relationship itself, but other people's reactions to it.
Like it or not, there are biggots and small minded people all over the place.
A lot of the older generation truely believes that it is wrong and no one will change thier minds.
Reguardless of what you hear on tv kids are mean to biracial children. They don't belong to either race and are not generally accepted by either one. I see it every day. Most black kids where I teach are nicer to the white kids and socialize whith them more than they do the mixed kids.
Most of them (the mixed kids) segrigate themselves according to how black or how white they look. Why would they do this if they belonged?

My point- There will be a time when a black man and white girl can walk hand in hand with thier pretty little mixed babies down the middle of the mall and no one will notice. There will be a time when thier children can go to school and be firends with whoever they want and "belong" to any group. But it's not going to happen in our lifetime.

Is this right? No, I don't think so. But I belive that's the way it is.

[buckee]

"I had a dream"

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[VermontHunter]

Hey where did my post go ???? Drat you buckee... http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[MadHuntinPastor]

It is happening in DC. And you get used to it. The first time might be weird....But....it is also weird to see a 6 foot 300 pound woman married to a 5 foot 125 pound man! http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gifFirst time would be weird but you would accept them as you got to know them and saw the love they had for eachother.

Thekids should learn to be secure in themselves and who God says they are. (do those kids fit in with the fat or thin crowd? http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif)This should be taught to all of our children. I wasn't always accepted due to my christian beliefs. It isn't about fitting in...it's about being the best you you can be.

Actually I would prefer an inter-racial marriage over my example above!!! YUCK!!!

[fisherguy]

Wow, looks like this thread has kept buckee busy! I have no problem with interracial relationships as long as both parties get the respect and kindness they deserve. In one case i have seen a woman enter a relationship with a man of a different race only to find after marriage his true beliefs about a woman's place came out. His religious views suddenly led to a very bad situation for the woman. Luckily her father(who didn't like the guy from the start) stepped in and promptly persuaded the guy to get a divorce. In a normal situation i think an interracial relationship is no different than any other. I will agree with some above and say that in some cases i think resulting children can end up feeling like they do not belong to either group. On a whole though i do not think it is really an issue. Any realtionship can turn bad, and any child could be born into a bad situation that has nothing to do with mixed race.

[slugshooter]

Just in case anyone was wondering, my last post in this thread was modified by Buckee because most of it was directed at toolman, and when it was modified it made it seem like I was directing whatever comments were left to the whole group. I just wanted to clear it up in case anyone was wondering.

As for Parrothead, I learn something new about you every day lately it seems. Dang...... I think I am starting to like you. Such a new and strange feeling, I am not quite exactly sure how to handle these feelings. http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

[carbonhunter]

WOW.....i leave for two days and miss all the FUN...lol

I dont have a problem with it, but to each his own i guess.

[JimT]

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[Washi]

I know a few people who are mixed and it can be hard on them. Even when nobody else has a problem with them they beat themselves up about it.

[superguide]

Geez did we take a trip back to the 50's here-the way politicians are in canada we'll be debating mixed species marriages next-not really any of my business what colour or creed another person wanbts to be with.

[wtnhunt]

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Like it or not, there are biggots and small minded people all over the place.
A lot of the older generation truely believes that it is wrong and no one will change thier minds.
Reguardless of what you hear on tv kids are mean to biracial children. They don't belong to either race and are not generally accepted by either one. I see it every day. Most black kids where I teach are nicer to the white kids and socialize whith them more than they do the mixed kids.


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Thank you. Glad someone else in here is not sugar coating this post and overlooking the reality of what still takes place in this world today. Bottom line is kids can be cruel, it is not fair to the children.

For those of you who say you see nothing wrong with it, what happens when your 16 year old daughter comes home and says she is in love with a black kid and is going to have his baby??? Of course you will love the baby no matter what, but do you think the baby is going to not be treated differently by others just because it is your family? Be realistic guys, I do not think any of you out there can tell me in all honesty that you would encourage your teenage daughter to have a relationship with a person of another race. Maybe you would. Honestly I would not.

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There will be a time when thier children can go to school and be firends with whoever they want and "belong" to any group. But it's not going to happen in our lifetime.


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Also agree with this. Dont think in my lifetime that it will be viewed as perfectly normal for races to openly mix.

It is not uncommon around here to see children that have been the result of an interacial relation. An observation on my part around here from what I have seen first hand is that for the most part this is more common in lower income and in broken families. Anyone care to answer why they think it is like that?

[HuntingInMaine]

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For those of you who say you see nothing wrong with it, what happens when your 16 year old daughter comes home and says she is in love with a black kid and is going to have his baby???

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If I had a teenage daughter who came home with that news I would be upset that she was pregnant, but my only concern would be how difficult life was about to get for her, not what color dad is.

I would encourage any of my children to be with a person they love. Personality and "chemistry" should be the determining factors, not skin color.

I am not sugar coating how it is. I am well aware that racist thoughts still pervade our society. BUT this can change when parents stop raising their children to look down on people of different colors. I think the numbers of people who don't care about another's race is growing, and that is wonderful!

It wasn't all that long ago that blacks couldn't eat in the same places as whites, drink from the same water fountain, or ride at the front of a bus. Why would you think you wouldn't see this continue to grow and live to see a more accepting world?

I guess maybe I just have an optimistic outlook on life and more faith that man kind in general will continue to expand their acceptance of people that are "different".

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An observation on my part around here from what I have seen first hand is that for the most part this is more common in lower income and in broken families. Anyone care to answer why they think it is like that?

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This is just a thought...As a whole, people of color have a larger part of their population in the "poverty" income levels. If more colored people are poor, then the odds are greater that the colored person in a "mixed" relationship will be poor.

[ParrotHead]

I take the “Libertarian” view on this. I don’t give a rats-behind who you marry, just don’t try to justify it by trying to convince me that it’s right!

Leave me alone, do whatever you want because in the end you’re the only one accountable for your actions. I don’t condone and I personally think it’s a bad idea. But if you want to do it – go right ahead - just as long as you're willing to be responsible about it.

[wtnhunt]

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If I had a teenage daughter who came home with that news I would be upset that she was pregnant, but my only concern would be how difficult life was about to get for her

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You are right about that and I do agree. I think and it is just my opinion, however that it is more difficult for those in these situations to overcome the way society in general views them, because as was said before they are not accepted for the most part into a certain group as they might be if they were not mixed.

This is all hypothetical intended to make others think before spewing what they think sounds good so long as it is not applied to them personally, which I think in some replies has probably taken place here. It is easy to say something is fine with you, when you think it will never happen to you, but then when it does how many would really stick by what they are saying here? As I have said before I am being honest here and just giving my true thoughts into this.

My point I was trying to make in my comment in regards to the broken families was merely my observation that the children born into these relationships often do end up with parents who do not stick together. I am not saying that some dont overcome the adversity, but most dont especially those in lower end incomes. It is not fair to kids to grow up in that type situation. I would be really curious to see some statistics of married couples same age that are mixed and that are of same race and how long they make it and see how they compare.

[ParrotHead]

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Wow, usually I hate posting in this forum due to the heated arguements but I just can't resist. This is the single most ignorant, small minded thread I have ever read, crossing the line into racism and not showing the community in a favorable light. It is truly sad that 140 years after slavery was ended, that this is even an issue. http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif

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Yeah, and I have a hard time believing that after over 200 years since the bill of rights that we have people that think it's a bad thing to have freedom of speech.

Maybe the race issue wouldn't be an issue if you didn't have so many that keep bringing it up.....

[wtnhunt]

Racism extends from all directions towards all directions. It is not just a white against all others thing as some seem to think. Seems some people behind a computer screen are quick to label someone they know nothing about as a biggot, when that person might be nothing of the sort, but may in fact be just sharing what they see.

If talking about something in a public forum and expressing my honest opinions makes some feel I am racist I am sorry, but I really dont care. I am going to say what I think so long as I do it the way that this forum allows. I am not prejudging anyone or talking in a negative way about any race, but simply giving my opinion on this issue being discussed in this particular thread which has everything to do with race.

[HuntingInMaine]

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I would be really curious to see some statistics of married couples same age that are mixed and that are of same race and how long they make it and see how they compare.

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I tried looking for some and found a few articles that simply stated that interracial couple's had a lower divorce rate, but nothing to back it up. So I looked for proof of the opposite and found that too! LOL I would guess that the numbers are close enough that they can be reworked to fit anyone's opinion on the subject. And if they are that close, then it isn't a big enough difference to conclusively state that mixed race marriages are better or worse than couples of the same race.

[wtnhunt]

So I am to assume that those of you who have all said in here that you are fine with interracial couples,that you would encourage your child/children to get involved with someone of a different race than that of yours. Not being friends with or getting along with but actually getting involved with. That seems to me to be what you are saying here in a sense.

Of course I will support my children with what they do, but I can not sit here and lie and tell you people that I would encourage my children when they do become adults and are dating to do that knowing that there would be a possibility of them becoming serious and in the future a child possibly resulting. Especially with knowing that the child would in all reality most likely be treated differently by other children.

[slugshooter]

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BUT this can change when parents stop raising their children to look down on people of different colors. I think the numbers of people who don't care about another's race is growing, and that is wonderful!


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EXACTLY, if it weren't for parents teaching their children to look down on others or teaching their children that we need to be seperate then racism would die out quickly. Put 2 kids of a different race together and they will play to no end, but as soon as someone starts telling them they can't play together because they are of a different skin color, thats where the problems start.

[slugshooter]

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So I am to assume that those of you who have all said in here that you are fine with interracial couples,that you would encourage your child/children to get involved with someone of a different race than that of yours. Not being friends with or getting along with but actually getting involved with. That seems to me to be what you are saying here in a sense.


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I don't think anyone is saying that it should be encouraged but they should be taught that skin color doesn't matter, all that matters is the quality of the person. I have met people of both races that I wouldn't take a whizz on if they were on fire, and I have met people of different races that I would trust with my life. The only thing that matters is the person under the skin, parents shouldn't encourage their children what color someone should marry but the type of person. As far as mixed children not getting treated the same or worse than anyone else, well, I guess it all depends where you live, around here it is not uncommon and noone seems to mind, drive 30-40 miles north of here and you have Klan members walking around openly, all depends where you live to determine how someone is gonna be treated.

[Texan_Til_I_Die]

Seems like I missed most of the fireworks too!

Oh well, here's my .02 worth - I don't have any problem with it as long as both parties go into the relationship with their eyes open. In other words, "Don't come crying to me (or worse yet to the government) the first time some idiot walks up and says something about your relationship that offends you". You should just plan on that happening and make up your mind to ignore it ahead of time.

[HuntingInMaine]

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So I am to assume that those of you who have all said in here that you are fine with interracial couples,that you would encourage your child/children to get involved with someone of a different race than that of yours

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By "encourage" do you mean, am I going to tell my sons to go date that mexican, black, native american, ect. girl instead of the white girl you have your eye on, then no I am not going to encourage that. I think if I encouraged that behavior then I would be acting in a racist manner towards white people. I simply have no concerns about what race my sons choose to date or marry. It is what is on the inside that counts!!!

Maybe someone who is against this could please explain to me what it is about another race that makes them a poor choice for a partner? If it is because of what others may think, well who cares? I don't think a hunter on this forum gives two hoots about what an antihunter thinks of them so why should a inter-racial couple?

[wtnhunt]

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If it is because of what others may think, well who cares?

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I said I dont have a problem with that aspect of it. I could careless what anyone thinks as is quite apparent by this post. I do however see it as a problem for children to be put in situations that you know they will encounter.

By encourage I mean exactly that. Why is it different when it is your kid? Sure you would be supportive of your kid with whoever they chose, but you people that suggest that it is fine seem to be saying that you condone interracial relationships, if that is the case you should enocourage it. It cannot go both ways if you are not against them you must support it.

[buckee]

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So I am to assume that those of you who have all said in here that you are fine with interracial couples,that you would encourage your child/children to get involved with someone of a different race than that of yours. Not being friends with or getting along with but actually getting involved with. That seems to me to be what you are saying here in a sense.

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Well, I wouldn't encourage my daughter to get romantically involved with anyone, regardless of their race. That is her choice, not mine. but I wouldn't discourage it based on their colour either. I think that's a better question to ask ourselfs. "would we try to discourage a interratial relationship with your son or daughter" ? ... and why ??
And if we do try to discourage it, isn't that planting a seed of racism ? or are we maybe being so afraid of racism for your sons or daughters sake, that we end up cowering from it instead of taking a stand against it.
Actually I think that a couples religious beliefs would be a much, much bigger stumbling block in their relationship, than their difference in colour, by far.

[buckee]

Racism is no doubt, an ugly thing. We are all human beings and all capable of love.
I think, and this is just my opinion, that many of us are so afraid of what Racism may do to our own families, that by trying to protect ourselves against it, we become part of the problem.
If my daughter/son came home with a boyfriend/girlfriend of any race, I would be more concerned about what he believes (religiously speaking) than I would care about the colour of his skin.

[HuntingInMaine]

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but you people that suggest that it is fine seem to be saying that you condone interracial relationships, if that is the case you should encourage it.

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I don't condone this type of relationship because to condone it means I am forgiving or excusing it and I don't think it is anything that needs forgiveness or excuses.


If you encourage you child to see someone outside their own race then you are discriminating against your own race, and the cycle of racism continues.

If you let your child know that there is nothing wrong with having a skin color different then their own, then you are encouraging your child to be open and accepting of everyone.

My boys know that they can date anyone they are attracted to. They can come home with anyone they desire and I will not be disappointed if her skin isn't white. I encourage them to find what makes them happy in life, no matter how the outer package may appear. I don't have to promote one race over another to prove I don't mind who they decide to date.

[SaskMan]

I can't believe the small mindedness of some of you people. I won't say much except that if my children decide to fall in love with someone from another race, then at least they are lucky enough to fall in love.
As for it being unfair to the children that are a result, the only reason that may be true is because of the racist people and bigots like the ones in here that have a problem with it. People like you make it a problem. Take Care.

[wtnhunt]

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I think, and this is just my opinion, that many of us are so afraid of what Racism may do to our own families, that by trying to protect ourselves against it, we become part of the problem.


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That statement makes perfect sense to me Steve.

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As for it being unfair to the children that are a result, the only reason that may be true is because of the racist people and bigots like the ones in here that have a problem with it. People like you make it a problem.

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So are you calling me a biggot http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif knowing nothing more about me than what I have posted here. I have not resorted to calling anyone in this forum any names such as you and others have done here. Seems there are some of you who are prejudging others based on their opinions in this thread which really makes you no better.

[slugshooter]

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I think, and this is just my opinion, that many of us are so afraid of what Racism may do to our own families, that by trying to protect ourselves against it, we become part of the problem.


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That statement makes perfect sense to me Steve.

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As for it being unfair to the children that are a result, the only reason that may be true is because of the racist people and bigots like the ones in here that have a problem with it. People like you make it a problem.

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So are you calling me a biggot http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif knowing nothing more about me than what I have posted here. I have not resorted to calling anyone in this forum any names such as you and others have done here. Seems there are some of you who are prejudging others based on their opinions in this thread which really makes you no better.

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wtnhunt, I don't think I have called you any names in this thread but I am trying to figure out what exactly you mean. Here is where I think a lot of the confusion is coming from. You say you don't care if people of different races marry, but you don't think it is right to subject any offspring they may have to the ills of society. So, and this is just my take on it, you are saying that it is OK for people of other races to marry/date/fall in love, but it is not OK for them to reproduce. Thats just my take on what you are saying, if I'm wrong let me know.

It also seems most people are focusing on the white/black type of relationship, and it is true, I think mixed white/black children do get the short end of the stick sometimes, but what about White/Hispanic, White/Asian. It seems most people have a problem with white/black than another type of relationship.

[buckee]

I'm sure if we all were sitting around a table discussing this, we would be a bit kinder and more understanding about where so-N-so is coming from, and be able to disagree and agree like gentleman, instead of throwing stones.
It's hard sometimes to get what you feel in your heart down in type for others to understand.
There has only been one person in this thread so far who I could say is a racist and proud of it, by his comments. He won't be commenting here anymore..
Lets disguss this instead of accusing each other.

[TreeStandBowHunter]

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I think, and this is just my opinion, that many of us are so afraid of what Racism may do to our own families, that by trying to protect ourselves against it, we become part of the problem.


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That statement makes perfect sense to me Steve.

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As for it being unfair to the children that are a result, the only reason that may be true is because of the racist people and bigots like the ones in here that have a problem with it. People like you make it a problem.

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So are you calling me a biggot http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif knowing nothing more about me than what I have posted here. I have not resorted to calling anyone in this forum any names such as you and others have done here. Seems there are some of you who are prejudging others based on their opinions in this thread which really makes you no better.

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wtnhunt and I are alike I believe on this issue. Wtnhunt, I guess I am a biggot too. I guess just because we would never do it and hope that our kids don't, we are bigots. See, this is how arguments happen and threads get locked. People jump in here and start calling people out and it starts nasty arguments. I never said anything rude in this thread that would make someone believe that I am racist or whatever. *** DELETED BY TSBH *** http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif BUT, as far as black and white go, I am not. I would just never marry one and would hope that my kids don't. I think it is hard on the children effected by it. So I guess that makes me racist than huh? So what makes everyone elses reply in here right?

BTW, where is the guy that started this crap anyway. I think it's funny how someone comes in here and creates a post about something that he or she knows is going to get a lot of attention and then just
disappears like a fart in the wind! http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif

[wtnhunt]

I am not even saying they should not have kids. That is any couples decision. I am saying it is not fair to those kids to be subjected to the racist ideas that most certainly do exist and that those adults involved should be very conscientious of what they are doing. I think my way of saying what I have said here has gotten people thinking I am something I am not or at least something I do not believe I am. I think in different parts of the country racism and the view on interracial couples and their children probably varies quite a bit depending on obvious factors. Here you see it, and the kids for the most part at younger ages are accepted. It is when they get into the teens that it seems those children often time do not seem to be accepted and are often subjected to hate.

[buckee]

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BTW, where is the guy that started this crap anyway. I think it's funny how someone comes in here and creates a post about something that he or she knows is going to get a lot of attention and then just
disappears like a fart in the wind!

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Good point http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Actually, I hope there are many more successful mixed marriages and many more children from those marriages. The more we have the less people will look down at it. http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[carbonhunter]

william wrote,

For those of you who say you see nothing wrong with it, what happens when your 16 year old daughter comes home and says she is in love with a black kid and is going to have his baby??

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White for black and the sentance dosnt change much how i feel about it.

But i know where your coming from here. 5 have seen and prob. will continue to see people who are bigots, spend five minutes with my grandfather and he will happily tell ya how he feels, and there is no swaying his mind on that issue. I think everyone has the right to do what ever there idiot hearts desire. Just live with the results, and i do think the kids will hear a slur later in life that will effect them for ever.

I will say if later in life you are single,not planning on having kids, and just looking for a companion. Then no one should look down on them for doing so.

[Norm Sauceman]

Both of my children know I would have no problem if they brought home a white, black, orange, yellow, purple or whatever...they know that, I tell them that..I tell them that all the time. Have they yet dated inter-racially? No, I don't guess...But then again, I am an inter-racial person myself...so, I can't really say a darned thing about it, now can I? http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

I do not, nor will I ever have a problem with whom my children date.Unless the person they date is a biggot, racist or hate monger them selves. I have raised them with knowledge of what is right and wrong, we all bleed red and that God is the color of water.

[TreeStandBowHunter]

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holy cow...gone for 2 days and I missed alot. I'm not a racist and actually anytime I see or hear blatant racism I get really pissed off because I have friends that are black, puerto rican, mexican and middle eastern. one of my best friends is black. I do consider myself a biggot because I'm against interracial relationships. I think each race should be with their own. I wouldnt encourage my daughter or son to go out with another race. and I'd be against it if they did. actually I think I'd be against the relationship MORE if either was going out with a piece of white trash. what other people do with themselves is their own business. not mine or anyone elses. what I think of what they do means nothing and vice versa.

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THANK YOU http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Mathews XT Man]

Buckee, I dont blame you for deleting that post, was wondering how long that would be there?? you, you, you,....FOREIGNER!!! http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Michiganbowhunter_SQ2]

the thing i don't understand is that some of you say that you aren't against it, but you don't want your kids in an interracial relationship because the kids they may have would get teased at school, then you say you think eventually it will get better and the kids won't have any trouble....but by trying to keep your kids from being in this kind of relationship aren't you just adding to the problem?? by teaching them this way, then they turn out to be the ones that are going to school and picking on all of the kids who are "mixed". and in turn try to teach their kids the same way they were tought. the real problem is with the parents not teaching there kids to respect other people and to look at whats on the inside and not look at the color of their skin.

[TreeStandBowHunter]

OK, enough is enough. I am just going to say it...You know my problem with this is I do not want my kids growing up to be thugs. Now granted, you have thugs in any race...just to clear that up awhile. But, black people act more like thugs than any other rac. You walk around in malls and crowded areas, look at the black kids compared to white kids. If you don't agree with that, you need to open your eyes more. Hey, through the years in the Marine Corps, I met a lot of GREAT black people. Marines that I would die for. But I'll tell you this, in society, 75% (from my eyes anyway) of black youths are THUGS. They walk through the mall and act like they are dang 2pac or whatever that guys name is/was. My kids will not enter a relationship like that so help me god. I do not want my kids associated with that crap. Kids are influenced enough in public schools. So you see, it's not that I am predjudice, because in my line of work, you can't be but I see how ALL DIFFERENT RACES act and the truth is there in the different races in youths. Different races also live a different life style. I been in too many black family homes and most times it is like night and day compared to a white family home.

Now people like Colin Powell and Condelezza(sp)Rice, they are educated and obviously act like normal human beings unlike the majority of them who act like thugs.

Now, that is my theory. I call it how I see it. I love a lot of them to death but I think I will stick to my race and hopefully my kids will too. Call me a biggot or whatever the heck you want, thats my story and I am sticking to it http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[johnf]

Before you call Mr. TreeStandBowHunter a nasty name like biggot or racist, let me say this.

I teach in the south in a very small town that is about 85% black. Many of my black students are the most well behaived, well manered, respectful kids I have worked with in 13 years. Any person who blindly makes a statement like that is not only a racist biggot, but is also an ignorant human being.

The problem is, It's really a very accurate statement. The vast majority of the kids I teach come from a broken home where they have many brothers and sisters from all different fathers. These kids are being raised by each other or grand parents and in some instance great grand parents. They live in shacks and see sports, drug dealing and rap as the only way out.

Treestand is right, many of these kids want to be thugs. If you are not, you are "acting white" and are austrisized by your race. If you don't like the truth, I am very sorry, but that's what it is.

I love these kids. I'm doing everything I can to help them. I want them to have a better life so their kids aren't harrased by the cops every time they step out the front door.

Acknoweledging there is a problem does not make a person a racist, it is one step closer to a solution.

Claiming that this is one big happy world is a copout, and mearly prolongs the situation.

"Can't we all just get along?" NO not untill we do something about the problem. Ignoring it doesn't help.

[Strut_Buster]

All we need is love....

[wtnhunt]

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Acknoweledging there is a problem does not make a person a racist, it is one step closer to a solution.

Claiming that this is one big happy world is a copout, and mearly prolongs the situation.


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Amen.

[TreeStandBowHunter]

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Before you call Mr. TreeStandBowHunter a nasty name like biggot or racist, let me say this.


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Why would they anyway? Did I say something racist? Don't think so! Just telling it how I see it...through Mikeeee's eyes http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[HuntingInMaine]

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Acknoweledging there is a problem does not make a person a racist, it is one step closer to a solution.
Claiming that this is one big happy world is a copout, and mearly prolongs the situation.

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You are right, admitting there is a racism problem (and I don't remember anyone saying we don't), doesn't make you racist. BUT telling your children to stay away from anyone who doesn't look like you is racist. You are discriminating against any skin color that doesn't match your own. Please explain to me how this is NOT racism? Maybe we have different definitions of racism?

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You know my problem with this is I do not want my kids growing up to be thugs. Now granted, you have thugs in any race...just to clear that up

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So, if your child comes home with a person of another race who is NOT a 'thug', then it would be fine with you?

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"Can't we all just get along?" NO not untill we do something about the problem. Ignoring it doesn't help.


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What do you propose we do about the problem? I don't see how discouraging interracial relationships is going to do anything but make the problem worse. IMO we need to raise our children to look past a person's color, race, sexual preferences, clothes, money, status, looks, and all the other masks we wear and see what is in a person's heart before we decide what kind of person they are. It is the parents that, for the most part, pass along their opinions and beliefs to their kids. If mom and dad say that we shouldn't date anyone of different color then there must be something wrong with them....they must be some how less than us because they aren't good enough for a white person to be in a relationship with. That isn't a message any child should be getting...not if we want to do away with racism, stereotyping, and discrimination.

[wtnhunt]

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BUT telling your children to stay away from anyone who doesn't look like you is racist.

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I do not think anyone ever said they were telling their child to stay away from a child of another race. My 8 year old daughter does in fact have both black and mixed friends and she has had some of them to her birthday parties and talks to them on the phone.

I would never try to make her feel like skin color should keep her from associating with others. That is absolutely ridiculous. I do not recall making any comment closely resembling that in any of my replies here. I do however admit I would most likely discourage my children from getting into any kind of relationship of the sort should that ever arise, however I would be supportive of my kids should they make that decision.

Think Mike and I, and probably some others in here as well see this in the same light and it is quite obvious to me that some of you people in here for whatever reason are not being completely honest or maybe are naive in a sense that maybe you are in an area of the country where you have not seen first hand the differences and just how things do realistically most often play out. John in his reply gave a very accurate description of what we see here. Mike is also right about the gangs and the thugs.

Here it is a fact that violence, drugs and gang related activity is far worse in the school systems where there is a higher percentage of minorities, it is just that way. Overlooking the fact that there are problems will not make them go away and bringing a kid into a world that they will not be as accepted by others in my opinion is not really fair to that kid.

[TreeStandBowHunter]

I wouldn't say that I would tell them to stay away from them. But as far as a RELATIONSHIP goes, I would surley talk to them without being to straight forward. Because your right, it's pretty ignorant to just say "Hey, date only white people". I like to talk to my kids. I always explain to them the best I can without being to forward.

As far as your comment about coming home with someone who is not a thug....they better be educated and ACT LIKE A NORMAL HUMAN BEING because they will not bring a thug home to my house regardless what color they are..white, black, tan, (Sorry, NO Mid-East) yellow,...whoever.

[TreeStandBowHunter]

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I do not think anyone ever said they were telling their child to stay away from a child of another race.

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Yeah, I sorta did I guess. It's not what I meant. Like Buckee said, your fingers don't always say the right thing. If they are going to date outside the race...which I will try to discourage but hey, love is love...THEY BETTER BE EDUCATED AND NOT A THUG.

Now as far as hanging out with them, Hey, no problem at all. My boys will not hang out with thugs though, no matter what color. Pretty much, if they show up to the house in baggy clothes and earings with a doo rag, my son WILL stay away from them. PEROID.

[horst]

I been watching this and havent commented but I think some of you guys are reading way to much into what WTN, and TSBH, are saying.

Theres a difference between racism and wanting to protect your children from what could be a very difficult relationship to make work.Theres a lotta prejudice out there, always has been, always will be, its a fact of life.Its not as bad as it was 60 yrs ago but its never gonna go away completely, its human nature.Recognizing that and wanting to keep your kids away from it isnt being a bigot, its being a parent.Realizing kids from these relationships are gonna have a harder time fitting in isnt racist, its reality.The kids from a relationship like this would be your grandkids, why would anyone encourage something thats gonna result in thier grandkids having to fight thier way through life and struggle to fit in constantly?Im not really racist but I am realistic enough to know that a relationship like this would be a lot harder for everyone involved then a relationship involving people who are of the same race.

So whats gonna happen after your kids relationship doesnt work out because of the constant strain put on it by the real world?Whats gonna happen when thiers a kid brought into the equation and things goto ****?

[wtnhunt]

Thank you Chris, seems you better put into words what I have been trying to say here all along.

[superguide]

Racism to me is a scab that some people want to keep picking at to keep the wound festering and sore. My community is very diverse with the large majority of people being 'metis'-french/native canadians. For the most part we get along perfectly as we are totally integrated-but there are members of both groups that as soon as there is conflict of any sort the racism card is played.

[shotupdeer]

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Maybe the race issue wouldn't be an issue if you didn't have so many that keep bringing it up.....

[/ QUOTE ]No, then it would be an undiscussed issue, like an illness you don't go see the doctor about. Then one day you die from it.

Quite honestly, I am saddened by the way some of you feel on this issue. I brought about this question because of a comment made by a friend at a party recently. Both blacks and whites were in attendance, dancing and having fun. On the way out, my friend said, "I was ready to get out of there. I don't like no oreo party." I was shocked that in this day and age, people, especially people aound my age held such beliefs, and I was also quite ashamed to be around someone with those beliefs.

[TreeStandBowHunter]

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"I was ready to get out of there. I don't like no oreo party."

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Well see that is just an ignorant comment anyway. As far as the beliefs go, to each is own. Where you been anyway Shotupdeer...you brang all this up...you should be in the mix of all this.

[Ohiobucks]

If Haley Berry wanted to go have dinner and see a movie, I would take her out. (If I was single, that is.... http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif)

[buckee]

http://www.altyazi.net/nisan02/gozecarpanlar/resim/halleberry.jpg

Yep..me too, but my wife might get mad ...LOL http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Norm Sauceman]

Buckee.. I will ask that you kindly refrain from showing pictures of MY woman...

[buckee]

http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Shaun_300]

LOL @ Buckee and Norm http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

i dont think i could say no to that either boys!! http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Tominator]

Still too much social stigmata in my opinion. I've seen some that work, but in most cases they are socially unacceptable.

[markyj987]

Wow...looks like I was a liitle late for the train on this one.

A lot of interesting perspectives in this thread.

buckee really hit the nail on the head with this one in my opinion. I would certainly be more concerned about dating people of other faiths.

Some people jumped on William's case for what he says, but it's obvious to me his concerns are for the right reason--children. It's a valid concern and it's clear that there was no racism in what he said-just valid concern.

Now, here's an example of racism--and of what things were like in the 50's. In 1954 at the age of 8, my mom brought a friend home from school--a black girl. When they went back to my grandparents' house, my Mom's uncle was visiting. When they came in, the first thing her uncle said was, "What the ________ are you bringing this ______ home for?" You all can probably fill in the blanks. Now THAT is blatant racism. It still exists these days, but in most parts of the country it's not that prevalent.

Back to the original topic, I don't think anybody has control over who they fall in love with, regardless of race OR creed. My faith tells me that love is a gift from the Almighty and His requirements for love and forgiveness are simple and clear.

Would it be easier for me to date/marry a white Christian woman? Of course it would. But since when is making relationships work easy anyway? Since when is child-rearing easy? There's nothing simple about it.

[maddhunter]

Agianst it.

[Norm Sauceman]

Against it...why?

I am wondering if some of you who are against it would take blood if you were dying if you knew it was from someone of a different ethnicity...

Blood is blood folks, just like the bodies that carry it.

[johnf]

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I don't think anybody has control over who they fall in love with, regardless of race OR creed.

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Yes, they do.

I didn't used to like diet pepsi, it tasted nasty so I didn't drink it. I went on a diet later and began drinking diet pepsi. Now a hate the real stuff and love diet.

It's the same thing with people or anything else. If given the right cercumstances you could probibly "fall in love" with just about anyone.

Heck, ater being forced by my wife to watch "The Nanny" I enjoy it sometimes.

[slugshooter]

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I don't think anybody has control over who they fall in love with, regardless of race OR creed.

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Yes, they do.

I didn't used to like diet pepsi, it tasted nasty so I didn't drink it. I went on a diet later and began drinking diet pepsi. Now a hate the real stuff and love diet.

It's the same thing with people or anything else. If given the right cercumstances you could probibly "fall in love" with just about anyone.

Heck, ater being forced by my wife to watch "The Nanny" I enjoy it sometimes.

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I can't believe you compared a human being to a soft drink. If you are attracted to someone you can't really change that, you can not act on it, but if the person is beautiful inside and out, you couldn't help but fall in love with the person, whether you act on it is what you can control.

[slugshooter]

Where is the love? It's amazing the responses between this thread and the gay church thread. Over there people preach about how we are supposed to be intolerant of gays and condemn them to **** when there is no way to know God's true intentions, belief and knowledge are 2 very different things, and over here, you got, well , basically the same thing. I didn't think I would like diet pepsi but now I love it, so in that context, well, maybe you don't like black people, but, if you try one, you may come to like one. All I know is the only differencr between me and a black person is the color of our skin, amazing, if they are in Africa, they are called Africans and it is no big thing, over here, they are called every name in the book and treated like second class citizens. Sometimes Americans make me sick.

[wtnhunt]

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It's amazing the responses between this thread and the gay church thread. Over there people preach about how we are supposed to be intolerant of gays and condemn them to **** when there is no way to know God's true intentions, belief and knowledge are 2 very different things, and over here, you got, well , basically the same thing.

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Yep, pretty interesting to see some of the responses and how some people have replied to these subjects.