Whats Your Reason?

[Chrud]

Obviously there is a big dispute about who you guys like and don't like. So, whats your reason for not liking a driver?

The two drivers I like the least are Jimmie Johnson and Jeff Gordon, in that order. The 48 is way too cocky. Anytime he gets into an accident, its always someone elses fault. Rockingham for example. He and Kenny Schrader make contact sending the 48 into the wall. It wasn't a racing thing to JJ though, Kenny shouldn't have been out on the track. And at Dover. Michael and Dave Blaney make contact and Jimmie can't avoid it. But, aparantly, the 15 and 23 (at the time) were just being idiots. Hmm. So a 2 time Daytona 500 Champion is an idiot?

And Jeff Gordon. I tell ya, I don't like the guy, be he can drive a car. He had that stretch of 30+ wins in a short amount of time. I was getting tired of him winning every week and I still don't like him. I don't like some of his actions either. Like jumping all over KS at Darlington. The guy got spun, he's not going to dive down through traffic just so the 24 can get by.

So, there are my reasons for why I don't like those guys. Now, why I like Dale Jr.

He's the son of the greatest driver of all time. He worked his way up through local racing, up to Busch and now Cup. He hasn't had everything givin to him like some think. He's a great driver and seems like a pretty cool dude, based on his DVD.

Now, let's see if any Gordon fans can get through a post without saying 8 sucks.

[OJR]

I agree with you about #24! A little of him goes a long ways!

[IowaDeerHunter]

OK. That post was for thoughts on the race not on Gordon and Junior. Oh well though. I like to see what everyone has to say.

Me, I am a big #8 fan all the way. As for Jeff Gordon, like Chrud said in the other post, I don't hate him I dislike of him. same here, Jeff is a good race car driver no doubt about it but Im not a fan of his and i wouldn't go for him for any race.

[texastrophies]

This should be interesting. http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

My dislikes:
Gordon (both)
Busch (both)
Johnson
Stewart
almost all ford or dodge drivers

Likes:
Jr.
Harvick
Waltrip
Schrader

Reasons:

Jeff Gordon: I agree he is a heck of a driver. But look at him, if he isn't gay he sure missed a heck of a chance. http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif Really, I got tired of him winning so much, and posing a threat to my #1 driver. Plus he seems to whine a little to much when things don't go his way (just like Rusty).

Robby Gordon: Too reckless.

Kurt Busch: Again, don't like the way he looks or acts. Needs to grow up. Also has a combination of Robby Gordon/Rusty Wallace in him, he is a reckless whiner. http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Kyle Busch: Kurt's brother.

J. Johnson: See Chrud explanation.

Stewart: Drives for Home Depot, I can't ever find anything I need in that store.

almost all ford or dodge drivers: Chevy is #1 http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif

Jr.: [ QUOTE ]
He's the son of the greatest driver of all time. He worked his way up through local racing, up to Busch and now Cup. He hasn't had everything givin to him like some think. He's a great driver and seems like a pretty cool dude, based on his DVD.


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Harvick: Took over the ride of the Greatest Driver ever.

Waltrip: Entertaining and you gotta give it to him, anybody that would stick with it for over 400 races without winning, loves what he is doing, and it shows. Plus he drives for the team built by the Greatest Driver ever.

Schrader: Very entertaining, will race anything, and just seems like a good guy.

[IowaDeerHunter]

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This should be interesting. http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

My dislikes:
Gordon (both)
Busch (both)
Johnson
Stewart
almost all ford or dodge drivers

Likes:
Jr.
Harvick
Waltrip
Schrader

Reasons:

Jeff Gordon: I agree he is a heck of a driver. But look at him, if he isn't gay he sure missed a heck of a chance. http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif Really, I got tired of him winning so much, and posing a threat to my #1 driver. Plus he seems to whine a little to much when things don't go his way (just like Rusty).

Robby Gordon: Too reckless.

Kurt Busch: Again, don't like the way he looks or acts. Needs to grow up. Also has a combination of Robby Gordon/Rusty Wallace in him, he is a reckless whiner. http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Kyle Busch: Kurt's brother.

J. Johnson: See Chrud explanation.

Stewart: Drives for Home Depot, I can't ever find anything I need in that store.

almost all ford or dodge drivers: Chevy is #1 http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif

Jr.: [ QUOTE ]
He's the son of the greatest driver of all time. He worked his way up through local racing, up to Busch and now Cup. He hasn't had everything givin to him like some think. He's a great driver and seems like a pretty cool dude, based on his DVD.


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Harvick: Took over the ride of the Greatest Driver ever.

Waltrip: Entertaining and you gotta give it to him, anybody that would stick with it for over 400 races without winning, loves what he is doing, and it shows. Plus he drives for the team built by the Greatest Driver ever.

Schrader: Very entertaining, will race anything, and just seems like a good guy.

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Have to agree! LOL

[Randyman]

First, let me start by saying, contrary to what some of you might think, i am a big Dale Jr. fan. I like him for the very reasons Chrud does. I just love to rattle the cage of any Gordon haters! http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif As for drivers i don't like, there really aren't any. I just like some more than others.

[NS whitetail]

I don't like Tony Stewart. He is a good driver but with his stupid hotheaded moves at times, I think that he is going to get someone killed. Besides, he likes to pick on my favourite driver, Kasey K. http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

[RTF]

My top guy is Waltrip, cause he should not be where he is today if track records indicate success. He was the lovable looser. He hung there and fought to be where he is today.

[Chrud]

Probably should have added more to mine.

My Favorites:
Dale Sr/Jr - Already explained Jr. Sr was the greatest. He will always be the greatest. He was also a great sportsman and family man.

Michael Waltrip - Teammate of Dale Jr. Very funny on camera. Doesn't get near the credit he should. Heck of a driver, not just on plate tracks.

Kevin Harvick - Took over the greatest ride ever in NASCAR. He has a little "Intiminator" showing in him. Agressive, but doesn't wreck people let and right, like the 20 car.

Martin Truex Jr - The next big thing, trust me. Drives for Dale Jr. Awesome driver in the Busch Series. He will be huge once in Nextel Cup in 2006.

Elliott Sadler - Just a good guy. Big into hunting too. Does a lot of great things, especially for his niece.

Other Dislikes:
Kurt Busch - Whines too much. Doesn't think most wrecks are his fault. Wrecks his teammates too.

Kyle Busch - Dweeb. The Kid isn't nearly as good as he could be. Needs a lot of growing and maturing.

Rusty - I don't not like him that much, but I don't like him either. Whines and complains about every little thing NASCAR does. Puts a lot of blame on other drivers.

You know TT, I was going to say that about JG, but I thought I'd be nice in this post. I'm just waiting for more Gordon fans to reply. It's almost likes its difficult to get a nice post from them.

[JimT]

I do not dislike any drivers. I would rather see some win than others, but for the most part i pick a driver I would like to see win while I am watching the race.

[MichiganHuntr1]

My Dislikes:
Dale Jr.
T.Stewart
R.Gordon

I dont like Jr. because in my mind, jr's fame shot up as soon as his dad died. And thats how he became popular. The only races the guy normally does good is restrictor plate races. NASCAR lets him get away with alot of stuff. (Intentionally spinning himself to keep himself on lead lap http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif) He is not a real racer. Accept the fact youre not as good as the leader.

Tony Stewart recks everybody, its as if he has no brain.
Same with R.Gordon.

I like:
Jeff Gordon
Matt Kenseth
Jimmie Johnson

Jeff Gordon is my favorite driver. Sure he wins alot, but all around the guy is good. One heck of a racer. He can get a good finish out of a horrible car. Theyve got good teamwork in the pits too.

Jimmie Johnson is another good driver. He is in his second year, and is beating everybody so far. He always gets a good finish. And right now he is beating both gordon, and Dale Jr.. So some of you better watch what you say about him, because hes beating good ole jr.

I like Matt Kenseth because he is probably the most responsible driver out there. He starts a wreck, he plainly says, sorry, my fault. Others will blame another person. He can start in the very back, and get a good finish. Part of that is because of his pit crew. One of the best, possibly ever. Rivaling the Rainbow Warriors. He owes them alot of good finishes. Kenseth and his team are very good.

[Chrud]

I have to comment because not all your facts are correct.

Jimmie Johnson is in his 3rd year.

I don't understand what you mean by "getting away with stuff". He got a $25,000 fine and a 25 point deduction for it. Tony Stewart got that plus another $25,000 for punching someone. I would definately say Junior didn't get away with that.

Junior's wins:
Daytona (2)
Talladega (4)
Texas (1)
Lowe's (1 - Winston)
Richmond (2)
Atlanta (1)
Phoenix (1)
Dover (1)

Thats 7-6 in favor of unrestricted tracks.

At least one Gordon fans has made their case so far.

[IowaDeerHunter]

Good point Churd. Good point!

[IowaDeerHunter]

Chrud not Churd and second although Junior is in second to Johnson right now when it comes down to the final ten races Junior will only be behind points. It is not always how the driver is good. He couldv'e got caught up in a wreck that was unavoidable, then finshed last.

[TheDeerHunter]

My Likes:
1. Dale Earnhardt-He is and forever will be the best NASCAR driver. A great champion, a great sportsman, a great friend.
2. Dale Earnhardt Jr.-Son of Dale Sr. heck of a driver and has alot of the Intimidator in him.
3. Michael Waltrip-DEI driver I agree funny and doesn't get enough credit.
4. Martin Truex Jr.-On his way with Chance 2 to a championship.
5. Tony Stewart-One of Jr.'s good friends and works well with Jr. at Talledega and Daytona. And that he doesn't like Jeff Gordon and he's always getting into trouble.

Dislikes:
1. Jeff Gordon-He is annoying and just gets on my nerves. My girlfriend never watched NASCAR before she dated me and has watched it a little with me. And what is so funny is that she just dislikes him as much as I do. And some of the stuff she says about him are hellarious.
2. Robby Gordon- A complete retard, and doesn't know how to drive. How did he ever get a ride in NASCAR? Oh his first win was awesome! NOT! Passing Harvick under the caution was a real good move. http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif Stupid
3. Kurt Busch-Big wine bag and a bad driver. He blocks so much and what he said at that one track about next week going to a real race track to the fans was pretty stupid. Just because you have a bad run at a particular track means you need to work a little harder and maybe do some testing at that track.
4. Rusty Wallace- Don't care for him at all. He and Earnhardt were always getting into it.
5. Sterling Marlin- He ran up behind Earnhardt Sr. at Daytona and got him loose. http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif I really don't care for him either

[Chrud]

TDH,

I need to make a fact correction for you too, because it's the right thing to do. http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Reckless Robby Gordon got his first win at Loudon where he did a sweet bump and run on Jeff Gordon. Now, do you like his first win?! http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

I could have sworn that there were more than one Jeff Gordon fan on these Forums. http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif I figured there was a reason for bashing Dale Jr. http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif

I'm just curious yet MH. What do you consider to be a real racer? A real person driving a real car really good? Because, that describes every driver in NASCAR.

[DSGB]

Well, I don't watch too much NASCAR, but I'll give my opinion anyway.
I like Dale Jr., because he is a great guy and seems like someone I could hang out with and enjoy his company. He's just a good 'ol boy. His dad was a heck of a man himself.

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I dont like Jr. because in my mind, jr's fame shot up as soon as his dad died.

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Where was Jr. when his dad died? http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

I don't like Jeff Gordon because he whines too much and acts like a big sissy. Plus he drives a Ford.

[Chrud]

Good lord, JG drives a Chevy! http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif Man, I gotta get a NASCAR broadcasting job!

I do like what you said DSGB. Junior knew that Dale's crash was bad, got out of his car and ran to his dad's. http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif

[MichiganHuntr1]

Okay Chrud.
I knew what i said would get you riled up. You are a true Jr. Fan. And there is nothing wrong with that Actually, i dont mind Dale Jr. I wanted to add some fuel to this post, and it worked. http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
The only thing i actually meant about jr was the whole fame thing. You never heard his name mentioned, besides in busch series. I liked Sr., but when he died Jr.'s Popularity shot up. http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif
I dont like Tony Stewart though, he doesnt race with his head. http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif
And bye the way, i like how people rag on gordon http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif, and they dont even know what he drives! http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[OJR]

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And bye the way, i like how people rag on gordon http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif, and they dont even know what he drives! http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

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I know what he drives and that is the only good thing about the #24! Chevies all the way!!! http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[DSGB]

Shows ya how much I watch NASCAR!
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And bye the way, i like how people rag on gordon , and they dont even know what he drives!

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I never ragged on Gordon. I said I didn't like him.

[RTF]

I disagree. Whether or not Dale Sr died, Jr would still be where he is today. I dont think his popularity shot up at all after his fathers death.

[Chrud]

Quick question, did you ever watch a Busch race in 1998 or 1999? If you didn't, then you missed a big thing. Junior's crowd reactions were just as big back then. I don't think that Senior's death caused Junior's popularity to go up either. People that like one are pretty much 100% going to like the other just as much. When Sr died, Junior's popularity didn't sky rocket because of that, but his role went through the roof. He had to become NASCAR's superstar to replace it's past superstar, Dale Sr.

[Mathews XT Man]

Come on guy's dale Sr. was the dirtiest driver you could ever get out on the track! Heck, anybody can bump and run, and take the checkers! http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

[MichiganHuntr1]

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Come on guy's dale Sr. was the dirtiest driver you could ever get out on the track! Heck, anybody can bump and run, and take the checkers! http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

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Yeah he was, and I liked Sr. alot. Good guy, but a dirty racer alot of times. http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Chrud]

Kinda like Gordon did twice to Rusty at Bristol? http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[Swamphunter]

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So, there are my reasons for why I don't like those guys. Now, why I like Dale Jr.

He's the son of the greatest driver of all time. He worked his way up through local racing, up to Busch and now Cup. He hasn't had everything givin to him like some think. He's a great driver and seems like a pretty cool dude, based on his DVD.


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Dale Sr was really the only driver I followed. When he died I guess I kinda just hooked onto Jr.

[Mathews XT Man]

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Kinda like Gordon did twice to Rusty at Bristol? http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

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Thats right..and when jeff did a "Earnhardt",...boy did the fans get P.O'd kinda two faced if ya ask me.hey he learned from "the best", so jeff said, I dont agree with Jeff bumping rusty either. drafting..well thats a whole nother story, as far as getting someone "loose"....as long as they dont touch..NO problem!if you cant race clean, you aint racin! http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Chrud]

I like this post. It really shows how Junior fans truely outnumber Gordon fans. http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif I've only counted 1 or 2 so far. Could have sworn there were more.

I have to add Greg Biffle to my list too. He did drive a Chevy last year in Busch and probably will next year. He's a good guy and a heck of a driver, when not snake bitten.

[MichiganHuntr1]

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I like this post. It really shows how Junior fans truely outnumber Gordon fans. http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif I've only counted 1 or 2 so far. Could have sworn there were more.

I have to add Greg Biffle to my list too. He did drive a Chevy last year in Busch and probably will next year. He's a good guy and a heck of a driver, when not snake bitten.

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I agree with you there.
I did think there was more gordon fans here.
Biffle is a good guy. But he does get screwed alot. http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif

[Chrud]

And most of the time, it's an engine or some other mechanical failure.

[MichiganHuntr1]

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And most of the time, it's an engine or some other mechanical failure.

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Roush Engines...Dont like em. Mark Martin has blew up alot this year. And most of the time he is running good when it happens. http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif

[MichiganHuntr1]

Hey Chrud???
Whos second now in points????
JEFF GORDON!!!!
He is now ahead of Earnhardt Jr. http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Chrud]

Yep, but thats minor. He'll only be ahead by 5, if he can stay ahead.

[Chrud]

I thought the Pocono race was pretty boring. I'd like to see them be 400 mile races instead.

Pretty interesting thing I noticed. I have TrackPass turned on during the race, to listen to driver radios. You know when TNT said "we just found out that Junior will be making the driver change." Well, that was about 7 minutes after they talked about it on the radio. I'm surprised TNT wasn't a little quicker to report it.

The convo went something like "I can finish the race, but if we are going to switch drivers, now is the time to do it. My left leg is numb and I can't feel the breaks." Plus, his car was junk. When they talk about drivers screaming on the radio about loose cars, they don't lie. http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

[IowaDeerHunter]

I missed the race. But heard Junior did switch.

[IowaDeerHunter]

Forgot one thing. Have to give Andretti some credit for a 25th place finish.

[whitetailkiller]

don't like nascar at all!!!!!!! just wanted to see what people were saying.....funny stuff....you guys are very serious about your drivers and that's good , but i don't understand the guys/girls that don't like people cuz they drive fords/or chevies???????? http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[VaTechHunter]

Sorry that last post by foltzhunter was me...I didn't notice that I was on my bro's name

[Chrud]

I do like Ward, but he's not up there with my favorites. I was glad to see him on the outside pole at Indy. But, I knew he wasn't going to get a good finish when the green dropped. He and Mears were beating and banging all the way into turn 1.

[Chrud]

Since a lot of Gordon fans have resurfaced, I'd like to see if they can reply to this like the others have.

[Chrud]

Bump for the new guys.

I appreciate Dustin for actually replying as a Gordon fan. Earnhardt fans had no problem for their reasoning, where were all the 24 fans?

[VABuckSlayer]

Drivers I dislike:

Toney Stewert: He is a punk! I lost a lot of respect for him when he was arguing with R. Gordon in the garage after a race then shoved him in the back. Real hot head. Don't care for him at all but he is a good driver.

Jeff Gordon: Pissed me off when he was raised by Ford then went with Hendrick in a Chevy. Bump and running Rusty at Bristol made my blood boil. I loved it when Rusty put him in the wall at Richmond several years ago. You should have heard what Rusty said on the radio before he did it. I just can't stand JG!

Any driver with the last name Bodine: These guys should not be allowed on the track. They can't finish a race without taking a few cars out with them!

Drivers I like:

Rusty Wallace: Have liked him since the year before he won his championship in 89. Was super happy when he left Pontiac to drive Fords. That black Ford was sweet!

Ryan Newman: He is awesome. Rusty's teammate. I like Roger Penske so I'll like whoever drives for him.

Others I like:

Martin
Kenseth: High School buddy of mine is his gasman.
Casey Kahne
Dale jr.: My wife and kids like him and he seems pretty cool and down to earth for being so popular. My wife was a big Davey Allison fan. Man I miss the old days with Cale, Bobby, Pearson, and Neil and them. I love watching the classic races on ESPN Classic!

Eric

[deldeer]

im a nascar fan, a racing fan, i use to be a allen kulwicki fan, and after his death & petty retired i became a gordon fan,(heard a lot of grief over that.everyone in my family is a dale sr. fan ). so i can say i like most but there are some that get on my nerves. i will start with jr, snotty nose little punk.(just kidding)..but he only has fans because of his fathers death, can't tell you how many #8 flags popped up at the races after his death. he will NEVER be as good as his dad, or for that matter jeff gordon.i been to a lot of races, didn't see a lot of dale jr. fans before. & mark martin......now there is the biggest baby to ever get in a race car......when dale sr. was winning all the time it was because rcr was cheating......then when gordon came along & started winning all the time hendricks was cheating!!!!grow-up mark!!!!!! the bush brothers, i won't even wast my time with!!!!!!

[Chrud]

Hmmm...this post was for civilized and decent replies. Guess not anymore.

I made this post last year so everyone could make their case why they do and don't like certain drivers, for good reasons. Not remarks to bash drivers.

[deldeer]

im civilized (most of the time)

[MichiganHuntr1]

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Hmmm...this post was for civilized and decent replies. Guess not anymore.

I made this post last year so everyone could make their case why they do and don't like certain drivers, for good reasons. Not remarks to bash drivers.

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Well Said.. http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Chrud]

I believe the first go-round with this post, you (Dustin) and Oneida were the only Gordon fans that replied. And both of you did it just like us Junior fans did, you gave good, decent replies with facts and didn't bash the driver. Just the way things were meant to be done in this post.

[IowaDeerHunter]

I think things should be interesting this year again, but most of it started when Gordon won at Talladega last year and Junior didnt.

[deldeer]

hmmmmmmm........ and nobody bash's gordon or johnson.....hmmmmmm......very interesting.....

[deldeer]

i wonder why someone who dislikes johnson so much would pick him in their fantasy league...........

[Chrud]

Because he is a good driver.

[MichiganHuntr1]

People, lets get friendly, honestly.
Lets try not to criticize others deldeer.

[deldeer]

all done in good fun........no harm, no foul.

[VtBowhunter]

My brother turned me on to Nascar during Jeff Gordon's rookie season. Since he was a rookie and I was a new fan and we're pretty close in age, I just started following his career and that turned into me being a huge fan. It just seems that there is nothing he can't do in a car.

There's really only 2 drivers that I hate. Tony Stewart and Kurt Busch. I don't like Stewart because he's far too wreckless and he will get someone killed or he'll be banned from racing before it's all said and done.

As far as Kurt Busch goes, He has to be the cockiest guy out there and that just rubs me the wrong way.

[Hillbilly]

I dont hate other drivers, heck I dont dislike them. I rather see Jimmie Johnson win. Yeah he's cocky, but who isn't these days. He's a young driver and a great one at that. They all do racing for a living it's their jobs. I like gordon as well, I think he'll be equal to DAle Sr. But like I was saying this is the work they do, we all are fans and gordon doesn't come to our work places throwing beer cans and cups at us while we are working. Why fans do this I have no clue. Some of those fans need to be ran over a couple times.

Sometimes its hard to watch fans of a great sport to do that to a human being. It's not like he killed someone. Respect and sportsmenship should go a long way even in Nascar.


The only problem I have about Dale Jr, is that he thinks he's God's gift of racing. He's tough and has made a big name for himself, but it seems like all NAScar is really focused on him and only him. There's a lot of great drivers out there that don't get reconized at all. But he's a great racer and will have many fans and probably soon many villians

[Chrud]

How do you figure that about Junior? Jimmie Johnson is WAY worse than Junior. Anytime anyone touches JJ, he wants that guy fired. He acts like everyone should just stay away from him on the track.

[Hillbilly]

I just think Junior gets away with stuff. He gets reconized way too much. Almost every race, the reporters are all over Junior. You asked our opinions and reasons and I gave you mine. I'm not going into details.

[Hillbilly]

Chrud, I talked about how junior gets too much attention. And you replied back talking about JJ getting all mad when someone touches someone. It seems to me you never read my reply to this topic. I never said Junior gets mad and upset when someone touches him. I'm saying he gets way too much attention. He's good but, not all that great yet, but the media makes him look like he's the king of racing.

[Chrud]

Got penalized for intentionally spinning himself at Bristol. Got penalized with swearing on TV. What is he getting away with?

[Hillbilly]

He has in the past.......

[IowaDeerHunter]

Junior is the most most popular driver in Nascar. Just face it he is. That is why the cameras are always all over him. He has many, many fans, prob. more than any other driver. He is the most popular so he does get all the attention. Nobody ever said he was the God/King of racing and i doubt Junior thinks that himself, but his fans and other poeple might.

[Hillbilly]

Yeah I'm facing it alright. My brother and I counted about 10 different commercials with JR and WAltrip in them.

[Chrud]

When most people think of NASCAR, the two words come to mind...Earnhardt and Junior. Dale Jr IS NASCAR today. He is NASCAR's most popular driver, he tripled the votes that 2nd place Jeff Gordon got. Why wouldn't NASCAR want their most popular driver as their poster?

I never said Junior gets made when someone hits him. I commented on how you said Junior thinks he is racings gift. I think JJ is the worst of it. According to him, rarely are wrecks he gets in his fault. Anyone that touches him on the track should get fired. And if he gets wrecked, those drivers are idiots. I don't recall a Junior interview that bad mouths his fellow drivers that way. http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif

The last time he really got wrecked was in Atlanta. He came up in front of Carl Edwards and Edwards wrecked him. Junior said he (JR) was at fault and didn't say anything bad about Edwards. Even said the same thing happened to he and Newman the previous year so he can't get too mad.

Junior SLAMMED into DJ early in the race, costing him 27 positions when DJ lifted going into the corner. DJ said nothing. JJ loses maybe one spot because he and Stewart make contact and JJ's all over Stewart. http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif

[Hillbilly]

he never jumped on stewart..... he said in the interview that Stewart probably didn't like what he did, but he was doing is job blocking him. Thats all. When did JJ get all over him???

I might have missed it, so fill me in?

[Chrud]

Chad Knaus going after Tony after the race. That whole Lowe's team acts big-headed. JJ block Stewart nearly into the wall. Tony wasn't happy, so Chad went after him, including swearing at him.

[Ironranger]

It takes alot for me not to like a driver as I think they all have earned their place in Nascar. Usually when I don't like a driver it's because of continued bad behavior which I think takes away from the sport. One that comes to mind is Tony Stewart but I feel he may be a late bloomer in the maturity department. He'll get there thought.

My favorite is Jeff Gordon. Gordon has gotten alot of flack since he started for being the pretty boy and for not being one of the good ole' boys. They all act like Gordon just put on a uniform and said "I'm going to race Winston Cup" but he started racing when he was about 6 and paid his dues just like many others before him. Just because he isn't from the hotbed of racing doesn't mean he should be respected any less. He did earn 3 of his 4 cup titles racing against Dale Earnhardt and some respect should be shown. He races fairly clean unlike some out there who seem to get into it all of the time. People can say what they like about him but he is a **** good racer.

I also like Dale Earnhardt Jr. and I guess that everyone needs a hero so let them focus on him. I doesn't necessarily equate to him winning championships and if I remember correctly his father ruffled more than a few feathers in his early days and there were many that didn't care for his style. As for the notion that Earnhardt fans are more gracious than any other, I'm not buying it. If Jr won the Daytona, I'd be saying "He ran a great race" as I'm sure any other Gordon or other driver fan would do. Don't act like you are any better because you root for one driver over another as it just isn't so.

[Hillbilly]

he blocked him.... Stewart was already up into the wall. thats his own fault. He blocked him thats it. I he would have tried to block him either way. JJ cant't do anything about Chad Knaus's bad mouthing behavior. Don't need to blame someone like JJ when all he was doing was his job.

[Michiganbowhunter_SQ2]

i'm a gordon fan....but i don't dislike jr.....i'm sure gordon could really care less about how many fans he has...and how many jr has...say all you want about jeff gordon but his numbers prove that he is a great driver and will just continue to add to his trophy collection.


P.s. topics like this are freakin dumb....everytime someone makes a post stating thier opinion someone has to reply back to it stating his and then it just keeps going back and forth and starts getting annoying. if your going to ask for someones opinion don't make a reply every time a person replies who doesn't like your favorite driver...just read and move on...if someone doesn't like a driver FINE thats his opinion...don't sit there and argue like you are going to actually change the persons mind...

[muggs]

I'm not a huge Nascar fan, but I

like: Jeff Gordon
dislike: "little E"

Gordon: Respect the way the guy drives, hard to argue with sucess. And he is changing the image of Nascar

Little E: I can explain my dislike for him with one analogy, while playing little league the coaches son got to play short stop and bat 4th in the lineup. Even though there were a lot better players on the team. Sure he wins races, but that's what happens when you get the best sponsors, the best cars, and the best crew all cause of Daddy.

[spyderpancake]

Dude, did you watch the 500? It takes a real driver to come up through the pack like he did at the end. You don't finish in the top 5 in points for two years straight by having the best sponsor, car, and crew, you still gotta be one of the best drivers. I respect every one of the Nextel Cup drivers b/c they are all great racers. If you don't have the natural instinct to race, you won't survive, it's as simple as that.

[Chrud]

Junior started down on the dirt tracks, just like everyone else. He's a 2X Busch Series Champion. He started with Childress in the Busch Series and then went to DEI in Cup. Now, he has his own Busch team. He's done a lot on his own. Dale Sr was only around for his rookie Cup season. He's done everything since February 18, 2001 on his own, with no help from his father.

[IowaDeerHunter]

[ QUOTE ]
I'm not a huge Nascar fan, but I

like: Jeff Gordon
dislike: "little E"

Gordon: Respect the way the guy drives, hard to argue with sucess. And he is changing the image of Nascar

Little E: I can explain my dislike for him with one analogy, while playing little league the coaches son got to play short stop and bat 4th in the lineup. Even though there were a lot better players on the team. Sure he wins races, but that's what happens when you get the best sponsors, the best cars, and the best crew all cause of Daddy.

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I'll just pretend that I didn't read that because that is not true!!! Sure the name Earnhardt is famous and Dale Sr. is his daddy, but look at Kerry EARNHARDT. Does he have the BEST sponsors or team or anything, no he really doesn't, he doesn't even have a ride in the NExtel Cup. Junior has the talent. Before Dale Sr. even died he had the best sponsors. So you are saying that the sponsors win the races, because you said in exact words "Sure he wins races, but that's what happens when you get the best sponsors" So Gordon didn't win the 500 Dupnt did??? And best cars, well DEI has a history a good cars and there cars aren't always the best. Sure they are ONE of the best at plate tracks but not at every track. If they had the best cars then they would be winning more races. Hendrick prob. has better cars then they do. Yeah he has a good crew, but what does that have to do with his daddy. So your also saying that there are better people out there than Dale Earnhardt Jr. and that he shouldn't be on team DEI??? If Dale Sr. owned DEI, then why would Dale Jr. go to any other team? If Dale Sr. was the little league coach Dale Jr wouldbe on his team. So basically you can't say that Dale Jr. got everything he has from his dad, he didn't get his repsect from other drivers from his dad. He didn't get his talent from his dad. IT IS NOT ALL CAUSE OF DADDY!! So I went out there and raced had the best sponsors, crew, and cars, then I would win because of them. Not a chance, IT TAKES A LOT OF TALENT ALSO!!! Which Dale Jr. has. I just hate it when every says that he is only famous and is only good because of his Dad. http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif

[James7xChamp3]

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I like this post. It really shows how Junior fans truely outnumber Gordon fans. http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif I've only counted 1 or 2 so far. Could have sworn there were more.

I have to add Greg Biffle to my list too. He did drive a Chevy last year in Busch and probably will next year. He's a good guy and a heck of a driver, when not snake bitten.

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I like him also. He can drive the wheels off a loose race car! I was hoping Childress would grab him!

No one can fill the void Dale left, and NASCAR seems so lost without him. I don't get real excited about it anymore but I like to attend a race now and then for the atmosphere.

I really admire how Jr. handles the pressure of the fans and all the media hounding. He's a cool dude besides a great driver. Never liked Stewart much, but I'm leaning more towards supporting him since he's matured a lot with the fans and media. I like Harvick and his attitude. When he's got a problem with someone, he takes it out with them and not the fans and media.

The only one that really rubs me the wrong way is Jimmy Johnson. I hate whiners, and he is one of the best!

I also really like Ryan Newman. Wish he drove a Chevy. He can wheel a race car and is all business!

One thing I'd like to see is someone running NASCAR who actually raced. The decisions that need to be made need to come from experience on the track.

I'm definitely old school NASCAR. I really miss the racing!

[Hillbilly]

Dale Jr reminds me so much of Peyton Manning.

1. Peyton gets a lot of attention and the league thinks he's the best.

2. Hasn't won the big dance (superbowl)

3.Every year, the reporters and press believe it'll be Mannings year.

4. Once he wins a superbowl, how much more attention will he get.


Jr.

About the same thing! They remind me so much of each other, searching for a Championship.

[IowaDeerHunter]

1.Well lets see, lot of people think Gordon is the leagues best, and a lot of people think Jr. is the best, both get a lot of attention.

2.They consider the daytona 500 the superbowl and Jeff Gordon has won it and so has Dale Jr.

3. Some say it is Gordon's "Drive for five" meaning this is his year, some say it is JJ's year, andsome say it is Jr.'s year.

4. he has won the Superbowl, and of course he will get a little more attention for a while he just won the superbowl of Nascar everyone gets a little more attention!!!!

And what does Dale Jr. trying to win a championship have to do with anything, every driver is trying to win one?!?!? Yes, he does get a LOT of attention, I will admit to that, but he is Nascar's most popular driver, I didn't say most talented, I said most popular. He has won the Most Popular Driver award 2-3 years in a row!

[Hillbilly]

hey buddy I never said, he is the most popular out there and so i manning I'm just comparing them too. I never said " your the one that said he was the most talented" I never said he wasn't talented or is talented. he is he has one many races!. I'm done talking bout this cause it seems things I say it blows up in my face.

All I'm gonna say is that Jimmie Johnson's year is gonna be 2005.

[IowaDeerHunter]

I said he is Nascars most popular driver, meaning that is why he always gets so much attention.

[Hillbilly]

and so does peyton manning but they both have not won the championship.... thats why they are so alike. Popular and talented but still championshipless

[IowaDeerHunter]

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Yeah I'm facing it alright. My brother and I counted about 10 different commercials with JR and WAltrip in them.

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Yeah most of them are those restrictor plate commercials sponsored by NAPA, Mikies sponsor. And Both Junior andWaltrip dominate at plate tracks so they were in the commercial together. And another commercial with him in it is the one for wrangler jeans, his sponsor again. Usually the commercials hes in are from his sponsors, and when you have a sponsor you agree to be in there commercials. That is why he is in so many, not like he can help it that he is them. Guess they should've put someone else in the Napa commercials because Junior is in to many?!?!?