Miracles

[HuntingInMaine]

I think that this needs more hard facts before I can make a decision about what I think. I, personally, am very skeptical about all ancient religious scripts and their modern day interpretations.

BTW - Welcome to the forums!

[BowtechTurkeyHunter]

Welcome too the Forums

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[Norm Sauceman]

What?

[Illinoisbowhunter]

Im sorry school is not in session

[buckee]

Mohamad can't do anything for me that Jesus hasn't already done. ...sorry...

[Tominator]

good for you

i'll just ditto Buckee, err, Sherm http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[horst]

Seg, Ill just say what everyone else is probably thinking.What are you trying to get at exactly?Im not gonna say a bad word about muslims, I dont understand their religion and have no urge to try.

But your leaving really vauge posts, in a hunting forum of all places, about something that right at the moment could get a lotta people bent outta shape, Im not refering to Islam either, religion in generals a touchy subject.So if you got something to say, please just spit it out and quit leaving these posts that mean nothing to anyone but you.If you wanna talk about Islam say whats on your mind, Im sure someone in here might even be happy to argue with you about it.If your just gonna leave posts that are only taking up space and noody can reply to because we dont know what your point is Im afraid theyll probably just get deleted or at least buried in back somehwere.

[GWSmith]

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Mohamad can't do anything for me that Jesus hasn't already done. ...sorry...

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Truth...
Jesus is the reason I'm having a season.

[Jeramie]

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Mohamad can't do anything for me that Jesus hasn't already done. ...sorry...

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Amen....

[buckee]

2 Corinthians 11:14
And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

Galations 1:8
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

Luke 12: 8,9
Also I say unto you, Whosoever shall confess me before men, him shall the Son of man also confess before the angels of God: But he that denieth me before men shall be denied before the angels of God.

[TreeStandBowHunter]

Well for those of you that know me, I think of Islam and that Koran thing the same way I think of our little tent city over their in the middle east http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif. When I do my business in the toilet everyday, I look down in the toilet bowl and as I flush, I picture a whole bunch of this Middle East crap....going down there too.

I understand if this gets edited but I couldn't resist the URGE http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

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[Elwood]

They are called Trolls on other furoms, ignore it and it will leave.

Elwood

[TreeStandBowHunter]

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Well for those of you that know me, I think of Islam and that Koran thing the same way I think of our little tent city over their in the middle east http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif. When I do my business in the toilet everyday, I look down in the toilet bowl and as I flush, I picture a whole bunch of this Middle East crap....going down there too.

I understand if this gets edited but I couldn't resist the URGE http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

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You got me good didn't you Buckee.... http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
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Hey if people wouldn't give me ammo, I wouldn't shoot off http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[buckee]

Sorry bud.I had to do something with it, but I was in a hurry to get the bird stuffed and in the oven this morning. ...Canadian Thanksgiving. http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[TreeStandBowHunter]

Happy Canadian Thanksgiving! http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

[buckee]

Thanks eh http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[HuntingInMaine]

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2. For women, it is a big and welcome change from the "in your face" sexuality of western culture. Women are not required by the Qur'an to veil. They are required to dress modestly and it is *recommended* that they cover their hair. However, most do veil and some go farther with niquab (the face screen) or other traditional clothes. Women dressed like this consider themselves marked as religious women, not easy dates. They don't get hit on. No one gawks at their bodies. They are clearly off limits sexually and many that I personally know say it is liberating not to have to conform to western standards of sexy dress, makeup and spending so much time and money on appearance. You buy a five-dollar hijab, put your hair in a ponytail and cover, wear long skirt and a tunic shirt -you're set.



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This is what I find to be the most demeaning part of the Islamic religion. It restricts women and their freedoms. Women are treated as second rate citizens. It seems they are only allowed to live because they are necessary for procreation.

Do you really think that by wearing a long skirt and something over your head, men aren't going to look? If someone finds you attractive, they aren't going to care what you are wearing. And since when should I even care what another man thinks when he looks at me? Or is it my "fault" that they look because I chose to wear a short skirt? I think NOT!!!

I am proud of the body God has blessed me with and don't feel I need to cover it with sack like clothing. If a man hits on me, I can easily say no and most times it ends right there. I also think it is safe to say that women are free to dress any way they feel comfortable, so there is no pressing social need to conform to what you call "western standards".

I have lots of camo that I can't wait to wear, is it stylish by hollywood's standards? No, but my fiance thinks it looks pretty hot! LOL Guess it doesn't matter what you wear, someone somewhere is going to find it very attractive and suggestive.

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Islam is a religious lifestyle, not just a quick Sunday morning church visit and a label. Although some Christians do pray before each meal and spend much time with their Bible, etc.many don't in the USA. Islam is something that can't be shunted into a few spare hours. You pray five times a day. Your dress code is affected; even your food choices are explained in the Qur'an. Many converts like it because they feel actively involved and as if they are truly religious.



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If someone needs lots of required prayers, told what to eat, and what to wear, then they aren't looking for a religion, they are looking for someone to control their life. A search to feel "truly religious" seems more like a power thing. I would much rather feel truly spiritual! And that is something you find within yourself, not something that is only had after you change your clothes, food, and pray 5 times a day. I know many Christians who spend their day in constant walking prayer with God. You wouldn't know it by looking at them, they don't feel the need to show the world how religious they are, they do it for their own personal connection with God. So don't go judging the things that can't be seen. You will never know what is in the hearts of the people that surround you.

I really question your original post claiming your aren't religious. Are you trying to decide if you should convert, or are you trying to get others here to convert to Islam (which I would be willing to bet won't happen)?

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Seg, just for fun can you tell me what the Qur'an has to say about some other little things.Drving cars into crowded places and blowing them and yourself up for instance.Or highjacking airplanes and flying them into public buildings.How about kidnapping and beheading people of different faiths?Holy wars, I guesse they call em.

Now I know not all Islamic people do this and dont condone it.But theres a lot of them that seem to.

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Many converts like it because they feel actively involved and as if they are truly religious.



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Religion can be taken to far.You talk about the good points of this religion but there seems to be a lotta people also brainwashed by it and willing to committ terrible atrocities in the name of it.And it isnt hard to do when a religion takes over every aspect of your life like you said this one does.look at all the cults in the United states, they believe so strongly in what theyre told is right every day they follow thier leaders right into mass suicides.

No religion is perfect, and you cant tell me this one is.Matter of fact this one seems to be one of the easiest ones to be taken to extremes.I still aint sure what your point here is but I do know 99% of the terrorist activity in the world is caused by the same religous group you think so highly of.That in itself tells me theres something wrong with the whole thing.

[wtnhunt]

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They are called Trolls on other furoms, ignore it and it will leave.

Elwood

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LOL.

[slugshooter]

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This is what I find to be the most demeaning part of the Islamic religion. It restricts women and their freedoms. Women are treated as second rate citizens. It seems they are only allowed to live because they are necessary for procreation.

Do you really think that by wearing a long skirt and something over your head, men aren't going to look? If someone finds you attractive, they aren't going to care what you are wearing. And since when should I even care what another man thinks when he looks at me? Or is it my "fault" that they look because I chose to wear a short skirt? I think NOT!!!

I am proud of the body God has blessed me with and don't feel I need to cover it with sack like clothing. If a man hits on me, I can easily say no and most times it ends right there. I also think it is safe to say that women are free to dress any way they feel comfortable, so there is no pressing social need to conform to what you call "western standards".

I have lots of camo that I can't wait to wear, is it stylish by hollywood's standards? No, but my fiance thinks it looks pretty hot! LOL Guess it doesn't matter what you wear, someone somewhere is going to find it very attractive and suggestive.


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I understand where you're coming from HuntinginMaine, which, I guess I have missed the boat somewhere cause this is the first time I have realized you were a woman. Unfortunately, the religion has gotten to far into the whole second class citizen ways, but, if you look deep into other religions and cultures, women are treated the same way. Christianity says that women should be silent, not speak out in church, dress modestly, be subserviant, the fact that most Christian denominations don't follow this practice is a question for another time. Even in the birth of this great nation, women were looked at as second class citizens, 100 years ago you wouldn't be allowed to vote in the upcoming Presidential election.
As far as being comfortable with your body or what you wear, do you not feel it demeanig to be gawked at, I know obviously some women do not as evidenced by some of their professions. What I can't stand , is the woman who dresses scantily around town and then complains about being stared at, when the whole purpose of dressing the way they do is to get looked at, there are plenty at my school where I work and go to class, and it's tough not to look because of my job there, but the line had to be drawn for everyone, do you look and admire, or do you look and catcall, I think that is what is most demeaning to women, not so much the looks, cause lets face it, a girl knows if she is hot or not, but when she is subjected to taunts and innuendos is when it goes too far. There are some that would say she deserves it because of the way she dresses, but I don't feel that way. Just because she dresses half nude, doesn't mean she is a skank, although the chances are likely to go higher in that respect, it doesn't necessarily mean that. I wold much rather everyone focus on what good points someone has rather than making a judgement on them based on their looks, politics, intelligence or religion.

[buckee]

seg, allow me to ask you one question.

"Who does Islam believe Jesus to be ?"

[Elwood]

Seg,
Let me ask you a couple of other questions.
Who will you be voting for president?
If you are not voting, then are you a US citizen?
Do you hunt with modern firearms or archery?
What species of deer do you hunt?
Why are you trying to spread Islam on this site?
Do you support US involvement in the Arab nations?
Why did you not fill all of your profile out?
Answer a few of these questions and some here might be more receptive you your post.

Elwood

[markyj987]

Why do I get the feeling that the original poster is just copying and pasting generic responses to typical criticisms of Islam and is in some strange way, seeking e-converts?

The original post is pretty interesting, but with any internet search, you can find countless scientific facts in the Bible, which weren't confirmed for centuries later.

I really don't have a problem with people practicing Islam--it's their right. My problem with Islam is the deafening silence from their leaders in regards to terrorism and dictatorships. At best, Muslim leaders turn a blind eye to both--at worst, they actively participate in such things. In any religion, I don't see that as Godly,

[HuntingInMaine]

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As far as being comfortable with your body or what you wear, do you not feel it demeanig to be gawked at, I know obviously some women do not as evidenced by some of their professions. What I can't stand , is the woman who dresses scantily around town and then complains about being stared at, when the whole purpose of dressing the way they do is to get looked at, there are plenty at my school where I work and go to class, and it's tough not to look because of my job there, but the line had to be drawn for everyone, do you look and admire, or do you look and catcall, I think that is what is most demeaning to women, not so much the looks, cause lets face it, a girl knows if she is hot or not, but when she is subjected to taunts and innuendos is when it goes too far. There are some that would say she deserves it because of the way she dresses, but I don't feel that way. Just because she dresses half nude, doesn't mean she is a skank, although the chances are likely to go higher in that respect, it doesn't necessarily mean that.

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I will only feeled demeaned if I allow myself to feel this way, I don't think it is something I can blame on another. I do agree that if I am wearing a super short skirt and belly shirt, then I really should expect to hear some cat calls and such. (Although I don't understand why guys feel it necessary to shout out these comments to women, has it ever gotten someone a date???)

I am finishing college and see on a daily basis women wearing very little even during the cold winter months. I am not speaking for all women, but it is safe to say that the majority of women who dress this way are looking for the attention that it gets them. Society at large praises young, slim, scantily dressed bodies and these women are looking for this praise. They just get upset when the guy whistling isn't the one they wanted to be doing the whistling. If it was Brad Pitt doing the cat calls and such, I am sure that most wouldn't get as indignent as some do.

You are right that dressing as a "skank" doesn't necessarily make you one, but it sure does give the impression that one is. No one ever "asks for it", I don't care what the situation is, but everyone should realize that certain types of dress do open you up to unwanted attention from men who are less then civil.

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I wold much rather everyone focus on what good points someone has rather than making a judgement on them based on their looks, politics, intelligence or religion.

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Amen to that one!!! And I wish women would feel good about themselves for who they are instead of feeling as if they have to expose a lot of flesh to get any attention. Wouldn't that hot blonde in the mini skirt and high boots look just as hot in a little more clothing that leaves more to the imagination?

[HuntingInMaine]

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I find it interesting that the three largest Islamic countries have had women heads of state (Indonesia, Pakistan, Bangladesh), while the same can't be said of the three largest Christian countries.



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The above mentioned countries are the biggest violators of women's rights, even when they had women in charge of the countries. I don't care what their religious texts say, that isn't the way they follow them!!!

Women must get their husband's permission to work and travel (even to a local store) and their husband can divorce them with no reason.

A women's word in court is worth only half that of a man's.

Doweries are still required by most men's families and his wife will be tortured and even killed (and they will call it a "kitchen fire" and the police will look the other way) if her family can't come up with the demanded money.

If a woman is raped, she must have four MEN in good standing testify on her behalf or no charges will be filed. And while she is at the police station she will be ridiculed and humiliated by the people who are suppose to be protecting her! The end result is that the woman is charged with committing adultry!

Here is a quote I found from the Quaran:

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"Men have authority over women because Allah has made the one superior to the other and because men spend their wealth to maintain women. Good women are obedient. They guard their unseen parts because Allah has guarded them. As for those women from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and send them to beds apart and beat them. They if they obey you take no further action against them. Allah is high, supreme." Holy Quran. Sura 4:34


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If this is what you mean by men and women being equal, I think you need to look up what the word equal means!!!

A daughter can only inherit half of what a son will inherit.

The compensation for the murder of a woman is only half that of a murder of a man.

Over 2,000 women a year are victims of fatal or disfiguring acid attacks for alleged improper behaviour.

A rapist can sometimes marry the woman he has assaulted and avoid prosecution. This saves the family's "honor" and the woman's life. The result is that the rapist is now allowed to rape his victim repeatedly, with the blessing of the court system!!!

In Egypt, female genital mutilation is legal. Because this is a family forum I will not go into details, but this is by far the worst thing that could ever be done to anyone! (PM me if you want more details)

Wife beating is so prevalent that most wives see it as a normal part of marriage and social workers have to spend much of their time just trying to convince victims that what their husbands are doing is unacceptable.

If a woman leaves the house with her face uncovered she runs the risk of being beaten or having acid thrown in her face.

This is what the great religion of Islam is doing for women!!! I could go on and on about the things that are being done to women under the guise of Islamic religion, but it is just too depressing for me. I don't care if they had a "token" woman as their leader, they didn't do anything to help women. It isn't that these women are getting a little teasing on the job, it isn't that a man was hired instead of them, it isn't the other trivial things that women in countries such as the USA have to put up with. These womens' lives are in danger, they are walking a very thin line, and are still beaten, tortured, and killed for no reason!!!

[horst]

Dang Seg, that do sound tempting but I think Ill stick to my heathen religion.I look silly in a turban and Im to chicken to be a good suicide bomber.Id probably pull up with my truck full of explosives and get out running down the street screaming like a little girl, it would reflect poorly on all of you.Since you wouldnt tell me what the Qur'an has to say about these terrorists acts Im still under the impression theyre part of the religion.Death to infidels and all that.I dont think its really for me.

[slugshooter]

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They just get upset when the guy whistling isn't the one they wanted to be doing the whistling. If it was Brad Pitt doing the cat calls and such, I am sure that most wouldn't get as indignent as some do.


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Amen to that one !! I discussed this with someone who is in my Gender and Society class a couple of weeks ago. Now, I am no Brad Pitt, but I was looking at pictures of myself from after Basic Training, and I am amazed at how different I look now, I was thinner and stronger, but all that time driving a truck " beefed " me up, I feel I am a decent looking guy, but the weight problem is what would hamper me, anyhoo, if I were to catcall a girl at school, which would be a big nono since I am an employee of that school anyway, I would probably get a nasty comment and probably a slap, but the guys at the school who are athletes could do the same thing and the girl would probably come over and treat them like a king. I've never made a catcall, at least out loud anyway, cause I am shy by nature but I also feel it is demeaning to the girl in question. I would rather be nice to all of them and treat them all the same, I just may look at some of them a little longer than others.

[HuntingInMaine]

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I would rather be nice to all of them and treat them all the same, I just may look at some of them a little longer than others.

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LOL Just make sure you aren't gawking with windows nearby....you wouldn't believe how many of you men have been caught checking women out by a reflection in a glass door or window!

Very good thing to treat everyone the same, people who don't practice this risk missing out on meeting a lot of great and interesting people! Besides that person you made fun of in school could be the interviewer for that killer job you really want!

[10acboy]

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz oh I'm sorry, did you have something important to say? http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

[TreeStandBowHunter]

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I don’t support the involvement of US in any country and I also fell angry of the situation in Iraq and Philistine “Land without nation to nation without land"


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Then move. I heard the Middle East is aways taking traders! If you don't support US involvment in other countries then you DO NOT SUPPORT THE US MILITARY! Get out and stay out. http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif

[buckee]

That's something I don't quite understand either.
If you don't support freedom, then why do you live in America. http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
And you didn't answer any of my questions. Especially the one about Jesus. Who does Islam suppose him to be?

[TreeStandBowHunter]

Let me add some more to this. Although I do not agree with everything this administration did either, I will always support it because it is my proffesional duty to do so. Yes, I have my conflicts with the US going in to Iraq, especially when our job isin't done in Afghan but to say you DO NOT SUPPORT US involvment in ANYTHING, is saying that you do not support the US military and is a BLOW to me and other service men and women.

[buckee]

I support you Mike ...and I'm a Canuck http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[HuntingInMaine]

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Especially the one about Jesus. Who does Islam suppose him to be?

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If you really wanted to know, Islam recognizes Jesus and the virgin birth.

He's a link with a quick description of the Qur'an's teaching of Jesus...

web page (http://www.discoverislam.com/19.html)

[bulldawg]

I would have a big problem with a religion that doesn't renounce those chicken++++ terrorists. The leaders need to speak out totally against them, and help to get the message out that such actions will not be tolerated, or Allah will strike them down. Rise up to them yourselves, and help out a little here, instead of trying to convert outsiders who are really trying to understand what the **** is going on with all of this. How can you expect people to openly embrace such stupidity? That is almost like us hunters telling the world that if they don't start opening up a little more to hunting, we will impose bad consequences on them! That is a foolish way of thinking, and not the proper way to go about things. http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif
And, as was already stated,I'm sure alot of you don't hold the carbombing type of beliefs, but you need to join together as a huge unit, and strike out against the foolishness.

[buckee]

I knew that HuntingInMaine ..LOL ..it was a loaded question. You see, on one hand they recognize Jesus as a prophet of God, but denigh him as the only begotten son of God. They also denigh his salvation.
On one hand they call him a prophet and on the other hand they call him a lier. How can a prophet be a lier. He either is God in the flesh or is a lier...which is it.

You see how Satin works. He uses 90% truth and throws in that 10% lies to change the truth to a lie.

Jesus died for the sins of the world. When he was on the cross, his last words were "It is finished". He did it all. Anyone coming after him claiming to be a savior or preaching a different gospel is a lier.

Case closed

[TreeStandBowHunter]

Dude go away, don't go away mad, just go away. Get out of the country that I and so many others are fighting for and live in some other country. Go join your little...................over in the Middle East.

[horst]

Seg, Youve totaly ignored any reference to terrorism in these threads.By not speaking aganst it your really making it look like you condone it, and the rest of the Islamic faith is doing the same. Personally, Ill never judge anyone on thier religous beliefs alone.Its not that important to me really who anyone worships.Remember a little incident a few years ago where a bunch of airplanes were highjacked and a bunch of innocent people were murdered when they flew these planes into some very big buildings?What I really want to know is, what you thought of that personally, dont give me any links to any of you sights, dont give any more crap about Allah or whoever it is you worship, and dont tell me this didnt give the US the right to go after these scumbags wherever they are at in the world.Just tell me your personal feelings on this.You dont like whats going on in Iraq, did you like it better when Saddam was still in power?Im not even gonna pretend to understand all the little religous groups in that country but how many peoples deaths was he responsible for?Did you really think the world was a better place with him in power?Any moron can go in any place and post links and quotes from anything but if you cant share your personal views on things related to the subject, you really aint all that interesting.

[buckee]

From one of your links
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one of your intelligence agents, Monica Lewinsky

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LMBOROF ... soooo, Monica is an Israeli intelligence agent eh ...I think I've heard enough http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Man, you sure are good at copying and pasting. Do you have anything to say for yourself ?

[TreeStandBowHunter]

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LMBOROF ... soooo, Monica is an Israeli intelligence agent eh ...

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Buckee...you didn't know that? Where the heck you been man http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Elwood]

Seg/Troll leave this site or Ali will not have your 24 virgins waiting when you die.

Elwood

[fisherguy]

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Seg/Troll leave this site or Ali will not have your 24 virgins waiting when you die.

Elwood

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LOL now we're just getting mad. I just don't understand why if you were a supposed hunter, you would join this site, and only make posts on one thread. If we wanted to be muslim we would seek out information on our own.

[TreeStandBowHunter]

Hey Seg..I got something for you... EAT PORK!!! http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[buckee]

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Buckee...you didn't know that? Where the heck you been man

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Well, ya know...I kind of figured she was an agent of some sort or nuther. Just were'nt too sure about it till now ....LOL http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[slugshooter]

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You see how Satin works.

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I can't wear or use anything made of Satin, makes me chafe. http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[buckee]

touche slugger http://www.realtree.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif ... good eye..LOL

[buckee]

seg,...Off the subject here, but you say you hunt with modern weapons. Which weapons might they be and what do you hunt ???

[buckee]

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Bush principle either you with me or against me. Analyzing and thinking is not allowed.

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That's not true and you know it. That sounds like something the Kerry campaigne might say...LOL

[fisherguy]

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I am not parrot
I have my choices
I have a brain
I am not a follower.

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Well then since it is clear none of us want to convert, or have you preach to us why don't you talk about somethin we can all relate to like hunting. Tell us a story, ask a question, just don't preach. If someone wants to learn about muslims they will seek out information.

[TreeStandBowHunter]

Dude you need banded! You obviously have nothing better to do than come in here and stir the pot.

[wtnhunt]

You are entitled your opinion which you obviously feel strongly about, I for one just dont agree with you.

As for your comment on Bush, that is way off base.

[HuntingInMaine]

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Islam a brilliant religion by itself

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How can this be a brilliant religion if it endorses the beating and second rate citizenship of women? I have already posted the following, but you haven't addressed it.

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"Men have authority over women because Allah has made the one superior to the other and because men spend their wealth to maintain women. Good women are obedient. They guard their unseen parts because Allah has guarded them. As for those women from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and send them to beds apart and beat them. They if they obey you take no further action against them. Allah is high, supreme." Holy Quran. Sura 4:34




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We cay say there are so many sects, cults, religions, philosophies, and movements in the world, all of which claim to be the right way or the only true path to God. How can one determine which one is correct or if, in fact, all are correct? The method by which the answer can be found is to clear away the superficial differences in the teachings of the various claimants to the ultimate truth, and identify the central object of worship to which they call, directly or indirectly. Can we either claim that all men are Gods or that specific men were God or that nature is God or that God is a figment of man's imagination.


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It is impossible for all of these religious teachings to be correct! There are too many differences, and you can't just throw them out because they don't agree with another religion. It seems you are looking for a "pure" religion, one that hasn't been twisted by those before us, and that doesn't exist. EVERY religious text has been written, rewritten, translated, and retranslated. This leaves every text wide open to additions and subtractions made to the original.

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I made some searching and I couldn’t find a sharp answer

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Stop searching outside sources for an internal answer. It is no secret that many religious wise ones have stated to know God, you must first know yourself. God is inside you, not on the internet, hidden in some obscure web site. Please keep in mind that anyone can put anything on the internet....doesn't make it a fact!