Aethiest's great contribution to Wwstern Society.

[johnf]

Aethiest are the first group to get on the "Kick the Christian while he's down" bandwagon. They put us down for any cidkup or misjudgment. Almost everytime when there is some religious zelot who goes anywhere on a t.v. drama and does anything wrong it's almost always a Christian man.

I was just wandering when was the last time an aethiest organization started a major university, when they opened a soup kitchen, which aethiest started AA or did something good to help the world when it wasnt' a show of thier wealth or power or tax write of?.

And just out of curriosity, how can someone who doesn't believe in God be offended by Him?. That's like me being offended by hearing about a unicorn.

[Steven]

Lumping all us atheists together on the 'kick the Christian' bandwagon really makes you seem like a supremely ignorant, uninformed person.

I'm not offended by God or the Bible- It's a beautiful work of fiction, IMO.

There is no such thing as an atheist organization. Atheism, by definition, is unorganizable. 'My religion is the rejection of religion'? That makes no sense. And I'm sure plenty of Atheists have founded universities and a multitude of worthwhile endeavors, however, Atheism isn't mentioned because there is nothing to be gained from Atheism. Atheists don't get tax exempt status, so how is it a tax write off?

Please give some examples of these shows of wealth disguised as good deeds and I'll counter that with the same from Christian groups. Show examples of these atheists taking any chance to kick Christians when they're down and I can counter with countless cases of Christians doing the same about atheists, satanists or anyone that doesn't agree 100% with them. Rather than throwing out empty accusations on a board that has a high concentration who will agree with you, back up your accusations with something even slightly resembling facts, please. Thanks

Again, I'll be back Saturday morning to check these, but for now, I'm going on the road again I may just be able to check in before then, though. Bye.

[wtnhunt]

Dont know John. Kind of see Racksies point here and have to agree with him somewhat in that you cannot lump all atheists together. People are different.

[johnf]

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Lumping all us atheists together on the 'kick the Christian' bandwagon really makes you seem like a supremely ignorant, uninformed person.


Well, that was rude.




I'm not offended by God or the Bible- It's a beautiful work of fiction, IMO.


I'm talking about those folks who seem to want some sort of litigation every time God or Jesus is mentioned in public.



There is no such thing as an atheist organization.



Scientology is an atheist. That's an organization.



Atheism, by definition, is unorganizable. 'My religion is the rejection of religion'? That makes no sense. And I'm sure plenty of Atheists have founded universities and a multitude of worthwhile endeavors

Name one.

, however, Atheism isn't mentioned because there is nothing to be gained from Atheism. Atheists don't get tax exempt status, so how is it a tax write off?

Anytime you give to a non-profit organization it can be a tax write off.



Please give some examples of these shows of wealth disguised as good deeds

Ted Turner- He's the only atheist I can think of that has done anything significant.



and I'll counter that with the same from Christian groups. Show examples of these atheists taking any chance to kick Christians when they're down

Everyone of them when any Christan is weak ei. Jim Baker, Jimmy Swaggart. Yes these men did dispicable things, they were punished (not unjustly) for it. But, you still see the media throwing it in their faces 20 years later.


and I can counter with countless cases of Christians doing the same about atheists, satanists or anyone that doesn't agree 100% with them. Rather than throwing out empty accusations on a board that has a high concentration who will agree with you, back up your accusations with something even slightly resembling facts, please. Thanks

Again, I'll be back Saturday morning to check these, but for now, I'm going on the road again I may just be able to check in before then, though. Bye.

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[dg]

Both of y'all should try google.com and do a few quick searches. But I'm with Racksie on this.

[horst]

That has to be one of the most ignorant statements Ive seen in a long time.

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So if a religous zealot goes on national televsion drawing attention to himself, then it turns out hes misappropriating funds to pay for prostitutes and gets caught for instance, how is that anyones fault but thier own?Athiets dont make them look bad, they generally do that all on thier own given enough time.


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which aethiest started AA or did something good to help the world when it wasnt' a show of thier wealth or power or tax write of?.



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Athiesm isnt a tax write off, but your local churches are.

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That would depend on if the people that believed in unicorns were forcing thier beliefs down your throat every time a discussion about unicorns started wouldnt it?

Ill agree, some of them take things to far, but making a blanket statement like that about all of them is hardly justified.Its like saying all christians are child molesters becuase of the catholic priests who were caught doing it.

Christianity can go to far just like athiesm can.How many wars and dead bodies has Christianity been responsible for throughout the years?How many cultures have been destroyed when Christians showed up to "teach them a better way" of life?Kinda like us coming over here to avoid religous persecution and then taking all the indians land, killing them, and calling them savages because of thier beliefs.Its a 2 way street but if you look back through history religions been responsible for far more large scale atrocities then athiests could ever imagine.

[fisherguy]

Gee another post about how the non-christioan in society aren't as good or important as all you devout christians.

[slugshooter]

First off, even though I have a lot of doubts about a lot of things taught to me when I was young and in church, and I know some of you guys might think I am an atheist or what, sometimes I consider myself a "borderline agnostic" if that makes any sense. The act of atheism, correct me if I am wrong, is basically a belief in nothing, so to speak. So the Scientologist is not technically an atheist because they believe in something, whether it be themselves or some unseen energy field (the force? )

As far as atheists kicking the Christian while he is down, heck, fellow Christians do a fine enough job of kicking their own while they are down than any group could ever do, and the fact that Jimmy Swaggart and Jim Bakker lost their faith and succumbed to temptation has nothing to do with atheists. I can't even remember the last time I heard anything on the news about them and in fact, just to throw this out here, my mother goes to an Episcopalian church and she was telling me that in the service a few weeks ago, the minister had most of his sermon devoted to preaching about the evils of Jim Bakker and Jimmy Swaggart.

The non-believer may scoff at the likes of Bakker, Swaggart or any other evangelist gone wrong, but they do not keep it on the burner like some people of faith do.

As far as tax exempt status and organization, I haven't ever heard of any "Great Atheist Convention" or anything like that and the groups most responsible for the majority of conventions are evangelicals who get together and talk about how righteous they are and who decry anyone and any group that isn't just like them. Ted Turner is an atheist, or was, not sure if he still is, but like previously posted, donations are tax exempt for any group, churches on the other hand are tax exempt for anything, but what I find interesting is that doesn't seem to be enough for some churches. Two churches I was a member of when I was growing up, even with all the tax breaks and other things given to them, still felt that they should be given anything they ask for, whether it be for an easement, zoning, placement of a sign or whatever, it's a little sickening actually, because as soon as something gets denied, it's not because the county or state is following already existing regulations and to make a concession for the church they would have to make it for everybody, it's not that simple for the church, they feel it is because everyone in the county or state government are godless atheists and they are discriminating against the church and we should have a special prayer service to pray for the salvation of those who made the decision so we can get what we want. I don't think churches should be tax exempt honestly, but whoever comes up with that law is in for a burning at the stake.

[Texan_Til_I_Die]

OK, let me make an observation on John's original post (John, don't let me put words in your mouth, if I'm wrong say so).

I think what John is trying to point out is that for centuries, religion and religious organizations were the basis for the vast majority of philanthropic actions in society. Now we see religions and the religious being "bashed" from all sides and all types of efforts are being made to forcibly remove all religious references from society outside of the walls of a church, synagogue, mosque etc. So the question is, if these efforts succeed, what happens to our society? Will the charities, schools, hospitals, half way houses, shelters, soup kitchens, orphanages, etc. survive without the support of the religious organizations? I just don't see a track record of major societal contributions in the philanthropies from the non-religious. Certainly nothing that will compare to the contributions made in the name of the various religions.

[slugshooter]

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OK, let me make an observation on John's original post (John, don't let me put words in your mouth, if I'm wrong say so).

I think what John is trying to point out is that for centuries, religion and religious organizations were the basis for the vast majority of philanthropic actions in society. Now we see religions and the religious being "bashed" from all sides and all types of efforts are being made to forcibly remove all religious references from society outside of the walls of a church, synagogue, mosque etc. So the question is, if these efforts succeed, what happens to our society? Will the charities, schools, hospitals, half way houses, shelters, soup kitchens, orphanages, etc. survive without the support of the religious organizations? I just don't see a track record of major societal contributions in the philanthropies from the non-religious. Certainly nothing that will compare to the contributions made in the name of the various religions.

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I see what you're saying TTID, but these orgs that you speak of (soup kitchens, etc.) are run by churches and things of that nature, but if the church runs it and uses their own money for it, there isn't much that can be done about it, the thing about the Separation of Church and State is that it has to be proven that the church or religious group is using the federal money to advance their religious beliefs. If the church is getting federal money to run a soup kitchen, then thats all that the money should be used for. There are plenty of other shelters and charitable orgs that aren't run by a church of any kind, but that doesn't necessarily mean they are atheist or want churches out of the loop

[buckee]

Open mouth...insert foot

I don't think John was trying to say, what he actually said either. I think it came out all wrong.
Talk about a can-O-worms eh

[johnf]

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OK, let me make an observation on John's original post (John, don't let me put words in your mouth, if I'm wrong say so).

I think what John is trying to point out is that for centuries, religion and religious organizations were the basis for the vast majority of philanthropic actions in society. Now we see religions and the religious being "bashed" from all sides and all types of efforts are being made to forcibly remove all religious references from society outside of the walls of a church, synagogue, mosque etc. So the question is, if these efforts succeed, what happens to our society? Will the charities, schools, hospitals, half way houses, shelters, soup kitchens, orphanages, etc. survive without the support of the religious organizations? I just don't see a track record of major societal contributions in the philanthropies from the non-religious. Certainly nothing that will compare to the contributions made in the name of the various religions.

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Thanks Texan, You said it much better. My point was that while yes christains do make some monumental mistakes. They still do more good IMO than any other organization or group.

[johnf]

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Open mouth...insert foot

I don't think John was trying to say, what he actually said either. I think it came out all wrong.
Talk about a can-O-worms eh

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Sometimes my pinki hits enter too soon.

[johnf]

So then, I'll ask again. What has any athiest or athiest organization (if there is one) done for society?

[fisherguy]

I'm an aethiest, i volunteer at a food bank, i volunteer with big brothers, i just organized a blood donation drive in my college class, i donate time and money to various conservation groups... there ya go, an aethiest who did something for society. Get off your religious high horse.