Philosophy Question

[Tominator]

Geared mostly towards the aethists, because I'm pretty sure I know the Christians' answer.

Who started all this?

I'm talking about the Universe.

Don't say "Big Bang", because somebody or something had to put that together.

Where did it all come from?

[fisherguy]

THe answer is nobody knows. I look at it this way...pretty confident things are more than a couple thousand years old, and that one being did not do it all in six days. I am more of a person who bases things on logic, and probabilities...and none of that supports the biblical explanation.

[Steven]

The same answer I gave in the other thread...

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I don't claim to know the origins of the universe, but I don't see any greater odds for an all-powerful creator than I do for evolution. And if for every effect there must be a cause, then someone or something must've created god. Correct? Or is god the one thing that the rule doesn't apply? If the rule doesn't apply to god, who's to say that the rule doesn't apply for anything else?


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That's my opinion and any Christian that says 'god' is stating their opinion. Mine is just as valid.

[dg]

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THe answer is nobody knows. I look at it this way...pretty confident things are more than a couple thousand years old, and that one being did not do it all in six days. I am more of a person who bases things on logic, and probabilities...and none of that supports the biblical explanation.

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You mean proven facts? Now we'll have none of that! Verse so-and-so says written by some ? said. Again, an aircraft flys over our head in 2005, so what. But in 0000, I wonder what they would have said? Oh my god?

[Tominator]

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The same answer I gave in the other thread...

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I don't claim to know the origins of the universe, but I don't see any greater odds for an all-powerful creator than I do for evolution. And if for every effect there must be a cause, then someone or something must've created god. Correct? Or is god the one thing that the rule doesn't apply? If the rule doesn't apply to god, who's to say that the rule doesn't apply for anything else?


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That's my opinion and any Christian that says 'god' is stating their opinion. Mine is just as valid.

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I never mentioned God, bible, number of years universe has been around, evolution or anything like that. I asked a simple question:

Who or what put all "this" into motion?

[Tominator]

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And if for every effect there must be a cause, then someone or something must've created god. Correct?

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Ok, correct. Now, who created that god?

See, you've fallen into the "infinite regression" trap.

[MichiganHuntr1]

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And if for every effect there must be a cause, then someone or something must've created god. Correct?

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Ok, correct. Now, who created that god?

See, you've fallen into the "infinite regression" trap.

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Yup,
Which Came first, the Chicken or the Egg?

[Steven]

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And if for every effect there must be a cause, then someone or something must've created god. Correct?

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Ok, correct. Now, who created that god?

See, you've fallen into the "infinite regression" trap.

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No, I didn't. I was pointing out how easy it is to, though. In the other thread, somebody, don't remember who, brought it up that every effect has a cause, but conveniently left out the idea that, if this were true, something would've had to create god.

Myself, not believing in god, don't have any need to explain god. I also admit that I don't know the origin of the universe, or claim to have the answer. I don't think we will ever know the truth. Even christians.

[dg]

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And if for every effect there must be a cause, then someone or something must've created god. Correct?

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Ok, correct. Now, who created that god?

See, you've fallen into the "infinite regression" trap.

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Yes, but at least he said he didn't know. It's alot different referencing a verse and claiming it as the ultimate truth from a man-written book that's unexplainable. If Jesus is true, and showed his face today, many more would follow his word. But we as human's have a brain to think with. Why doesn't he stop by and say hi "to his children"? He loves us. Again, unexplainable happenings by unknowledgeable folks. So if the aircraft flew over 2000 years ago, what would they say? Oh my god!

[Steven]

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The same answer I gave in the other thread...

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I don't claim to know the origins of the universe, but I don't see any greater odds for an all-powerful creator than I do for evolution. And if for every effect there must be a cause, then someone or something must've created god. Correct? Or is god the one thing that the rule doesn't apply? If the rule doesn't apply to god, who's to say that the rule doesn't apply for anything else?


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That's my opinion and any Christian that says 'god' is stating their opinion. Mine is just as valid.

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I never mentioned God, bible, number of years universe has been around, evolution or anything like that. I asked a simple question:

Who or what put all "this" into motion?

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I never mentioned the bible or number of years the universe has been around either. Since the 2 prevailant ideas are creation and evolution. I simply compared the 2 without endorsing either.

Since you apparently wanted me to answer a different question, it would help if you posted it. Also, having stated that you know what the christians would post and directing the question at atheists, sure you never said god, but it was implied.

Or we can argue semantics all night, either way is fine with me.

[dg]

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Geared mostly towards the aethists, because I'm pretty sure I know the Christians' answer.

Who started all this?

I'm talking about the Universe.

Don't say "Big Bang", because somebody or something had to put that together.

Where did it all come from?

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Why don't you tell me?

[spyderpancake]

God is the only possible explanation. He has always been around. Our human minds can't comprehend that. Explain to me when time began. It didn't. Our finite minds cannot fathom something that doesn't have a beginning and an end. Was there ever a point when there was nothing and then suddenly everything started appearing? I don't think so. I think an Eternal Supernatural God is the only way any of this could have started. You have to admit that at some point something started everything. Science proves that the universe is slowly running down. If that is true, it had to have started sometime. Like I have said, for anyone who really thinks about it with an open mind, creation is the only logical answer.

[dogdoc]

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I don't think we will ever know the truth

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I will--when I meet the Creator

[Steven]

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Like I have said, for anyone who really thinks about it with an open mind, creation is the only logical answer.

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And, an 'open mind' means, of course, 'from my point of view'.

[horst]

I have no problem with the theory of evolution.Even now people and animals continue adapting to a ever changing world.Theres lots of dead planets out there, this one may have been just different enough to produce life, crazy things happen here all the time, ice ages, global warming, drought, floods, fire, etc...Whos to say any combination of these events couldnt have started the first lifeforms on this planet and they just continued to evolve as the planet did.Weve went from dinosaurs to modern life in a few thousand years, theres proof of that everywhere, so why couldnt things all living things have evolved in that fashion?