No Christ In Christmas?

[Jeramie]

I heard, on the news this morning, that a Christian Group donated Biblical-Christian talking figures to toys for tots in time for Christmas this year.

Toys for Tots turned them down because they were of religous content..... Apparently no one remembers what <font color="red">Christ</font>mas is all about. The story has to be out there on the web somewhere. Its been all over the national news, local news, and radio this morning.

<font color="green">*Edited, there was a "My Bad" in the title, thanks Joe* </font>

[Mathews XT Man]

Bunch of HUMBUGS!!!! BAAA!!

[jbeck]

Heck, we've asked God to get out of our schools, out of our government, and out of our lives in this country. Is it any wonder we have the problems we do? I'm glad I know him, I'd sure hate to be on the other team when this game ends.

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Jeremie, they turned them down because they give toys to children of all nationalities and religions and they have little way of knowing what kids going to recieve which present exactly.Since not all families are religous in nature and theres many different faiths in this country I can almost gaurantee they would have recieved much worse press than this if theyd sent a couple thousand religous dolls to the wrong families.Its a no win situation for them either way.

[3whunt]

one nation, under god....

[horst]

Amendment I - Freedom of Religion, Press, Expression. Ratified 12/15/1791. Note

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances

[muggs]

I don't agree with this sort of nonsense. But just thought I'd point this out.

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Heck, we've asked God to get out of our schools, out of our government

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Jbeck, seperation of Church and State has been around since the formation of this country, it was one of the first things written into the Constitution. Religion has no place in politics...even though Bush never got that memo.

[Andrea]

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Heck, we've asked God to get out of our schools, out of our government, and out of our lives in this country. Is it any wonder we have the problems we do? I'm glad I know Him, I'd sure hate to be on the other team when this game ends.

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MY SENTIMENTS EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!

[Exturkinator]

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Amendment I - Freedom of Religion, Press, Expression. Ratified 12/15/1791. Note

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances

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plagairism...

[BowtechTurkeyHunter]

It was on Fox News ... its just the direction the government goes ... frustrating for sure.

Steve

[Jeramie]

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Amendment I - Freedom of Religion, Press, Expression. Ratified 12/15/1791. Note

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances

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Based on that they should accept the toys. By denying them based on religious content aren't they "Respecting an establishment of religion?'

Based on that Amendment these figures should be looked at as just toys.....

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Based on that they should accept the toys. By denying them based on religious content aren't they "Respecting an establishment of religion?'

Based on that Amendment these figures should be looked at as just toys.....




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Actually based on that they are free to chose whatever they want to accept for toys.They cant be made to take these toys purely because theyre religous figures.Like I said, without knowing the religous background of each child these toys are going to theyre would be negative publicity if they did accept them and handed them out indiscriminately.

Youre statements rather contradictory, are the "just toys" or or they a "establishment of religion"?They cant be both.IMO theyre toys, nothing more, they depict religous figures but they dont stand for any one set religionThey turn down toys every year that they dont feel are acceptable, this is no different.

[Andrea]

Heaven forbid Christians give a little Muslim( or buddhist or Hindu) boy or girl a biblical toy!!! Gimme a break.

If the Toys for Tots don't want to give them out, then the Christian group should start their own toy drive and include them in it.

[Jeramie]

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Based on that they should accept the toys. By denying them based on religious content aren't they "Respecting an establishment of religion?'

Based on that Amendment these figures should be looked at as just toys.....




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Actually based on that they are free to chose whatever they want to accept for toys.They cant be made to take these toys purely because theyre religous figures.Like I said, without knowing the religous background of each child these toys are going to theyre would be negative publicity if they did accept them and handed them out indiscriminately.

Youre statements rather contradictory, are the "just toys" or or they a "establishment of religion"?They cant be both.IMO theyre toys, nothing more, they depict religous figures but they dont stand for any one set religionThey turn down toys every year that they dont feel are acceptable, this is no different.

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No, my point was that if they deny them as a religious icon they are in fact putting the religion aspect into play. In said case someone could argue that any elephant toy could be considered a religious icon, or a cow, or a monkey etc....

By that amendment they shouldn't be putting religious labels on any toy (even if that is what the toy was intended for). Their point of view should be neutral... Thats the reason it seems contrary. The amendment says they can respect no religion yet they turned down toys based on religious context. Thats where the contradiction comes to play.

[gabuckbuster03]

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Heck, we've asked God to get out of our schools, out of our government, and out of our lives in this country. Is it any wonder we have the problems we do? I'm glad I know him, I'd sure hate to be on the other team when this game ends.

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same thing i was thinkin