Wrong leading a church?

[NS whitetail]

i think it is terrible and it should not even be on the news.
that's what is wrong with this world , the media glorifies stories like this.
there is no way that he can be considered a Christian if he is a homosexual.

God made Adam & Eve ---- not Adam & Steve [img]/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

[sureshot]

you said it NS!!!

[buckee]

The key word here is "practicing" homosexual.
It is possible for a reformed (repentive, non-practicing, reformed homosexual) to be a paster or priest, but no way a practicing homosexual.
What is happening in some of the mainline churches today is a prophecy about the last days coming true. This is the apostacy written about in the old testiment as well as the new, telling about how, in the last days, before our Lord returns, many will fall away from "Gods truth"

One of the qualification to be a pastor or any church leader is that they should be "beyond reproach"
Being a practicing homosexual is far, far from being beyond reproach...unless of course you change the truth that is found in Gods word, and rewrite it or redefine it to suit yourself and the times.
Practicing homsexuallity is a sin that leads to death. God destroyed cities in the past because of it.

If there is no repentance, how can there be any salvation ??? [img]/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

[ParrotHead]

Exactly what the homo's do buckee...they change the written word of God to somehow try and justify their sinful acts!

[Jeramie]

I heard a quote on the radio yesterday the the church is saying that "No where in the bible does it say anything about being gay." What!? Are we suppose to just be plain stupid? Can anyone say Sodom and Gomorrah? Or what about this verse, 1st Corinthians 6:9 "Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders (10) nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of god.(11) And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of thee Lord Jesus Christ and by the spirit of our God.

I cant believe that anyone that claims to follow Christ would think for a second that God, Christ, or the Holy Spirit would condone this behavior, let alone bless anything that came from that man, let alone that church.

[buckbuster11]

Amen jeramie.....cant argue with that.

[buckee]

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And that is what some of you were . But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of thee Lord Jesus Christ and by the spirit of our God.

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I think were is the key word here, since that is what salvation is all about.

Seems to me they have read an are in there to justify what they do, and read it as such...."And that is what some of you are . But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of thee Lord Jesus Christ and by the spirit of our God."....Therefore making a total mokery of what repentance means.
Repentance does not just mean admitting what you've done or are doing, but being willing to turn away from it. If your not willing to turn away, then you are not very repentive are you ?
There are plenty of verses that talk about using Gods Grace through Jesus Christ as an excuse to sin.

[Mathews XT Man]

How anyone can get this far off track from GOD"S word is beond me!! The Bible does speak of "Man laying with Man, and women laying with women", and says that this is TOTALLY WRONG!! God ordained marriage to be one MAN with one WOMEN period! We are getting closer to the end people...."Man will call good evil..and evil good" [img]/forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]

[Norm Sauceman]

God hates and condemns the practice of homosexuality. Both in the Old Testament and the New, this is made clear in many passages. It is against the physical make-up of men and women and the purpose of marriage. Notice the following passage.

LEV 20:13 'If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltiness is upon them.

[buckshot]

Times may change but God's word doesn't.
This kind of behavior may be acceptable with some people but not God or any God fearing christian.
Can't believe the church would even consider allowing such a person to be a priest.
Judgement day is coming soon and this proves it. [img]/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

[Wisconsinboy]

hes a person just like one of us so i guess it should be ok for him to be a priest.

[buckee]

OK wis...Let me get this straight...so what your saying is it's OK for anyone (and I mean anyone} to be a paster, a minister, or a priest, with no special qualifications.....is that what your saying???
So I guess cross-dressers would be ok, child molesters should be OK too, since that's just their sexual preferrance...right. [img]/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [img]/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

[shotupdeer]

Ok, I have some gay friends and whatnot, and I can tell you, that from what I know from them, it is not a choice, its who they are. It is the church's decision on who to approve to preach, and in this case, I would say they made the right decision. It is obvious the guy loves the scripture, even though he knows he cannot live up to it and probably realizes the bible says he is destined for ******. The only way I could see this becoming an issue, if he tried to force his homosexuality on others, or tried to influence people into being gay. Otherwise, what is wrong?

[oldksnarc]

I'm sorry, but to say it's not their choice - it's who they are is nothing more than condoning their action. Not any different than the church has done by going against the Bible and recognizing and allowing homosexuality as an acceptable behavior.

It's not who they are, it's who they chose to be. It's their responsibility, if they believe in God and the teachings in the Bible to resist temptation and sin. And homosexuality is a sin. No church or person can interpret the Bible to their way of thinking without putting themselves above God and his law.

[buckee]

Apostasy: apostasia {ap-os-tas-ee'-ah}
to forsake, falling away, a falling away, defection, apostasy
feminine version of the word apostasion.

The Apostasy/Great Falling Away is talking about a huge falling away from the truth or a departing from the faith. After this happens, the Antichrist is revealed and following that, the great gathering of the faithful to Christ will take place.

So does this mean that many will just give up the faith and no longer profess Jesus as Lord, maybe. Perhaps it means that many of the truths that Jesus taught us, will be ignored, forgotten and replaced with man-made doctrines and doctrines of demons. After all if people ignore truth, then they are ignoring Jesus himself and the very principles of the Kingdom of God. Remember Jesus told us in Matthew 7:22-24 that many shall call him Lord, but Jesus will reject them because they never actually knew him. The difference is that many shall know about Jesus, but how many actually know Jesus ? One of the first things we need to do in order to know Jesus, is to believe in the words of Jesus and to believe the words that he spoke about himself and who he is. It would be contradictory to say that you know Jesus and yet ignore his words and not believe what he said about himself.

"This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, traitors, heady, high-minded, lovers of pleasure's more than lovers of God, having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof; from such turn away." 2 Timothy 3:1-5.

False Teachers - "For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them." Acts 20:29,30.

Perversion of Scripture - "For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts, shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; and they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables." 2 Timothy 4:3,4.

Resorting to Deception - "For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into a angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works." 2 Cor.11:13-15.

Reverting to Immorality - "Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls; a heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children; while they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption; for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage. For if after they have escaped the pollution's of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, the dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire." 2 Peter 2:14, 19-22.

God's Word - "But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived. But continue thou in the things which thou has learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them; and that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness; that the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works." 2 Timothy 3:13-17.