More fallout from the VT shootings

**Texan_Til_I_Die** · 04-23-2007, 05:47 PM

Apparently, this professor at Emmanuel College was summarily fired for leading a classroom discussion about the event which included an impromptu demonstration of how the tragedy might have been lessened if someone else in the vicinity had been legally armed.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...show_article=1

**OJR** · 04-23-2007, 06:26 PM

Unreal!! What next??

**wtnhunt** · 04-24-2007, 07:12 AM

That is interesting. Have to wonder what kind of "obscene" language he used? Dont hardly think "pow" would be construed as obscene.

**buckee** · 04-24-2007, 11:34 AM

It's too bad the school administration can't see this as a learning tool, instead of a drawback. Some folks have a hard time looking reality in the face.

This terrible killing spree didn't happen because there is something wrong with our gun laws. It happened because there is something wrong with doctor/patient confidentiality and privacy laws. This kid was a time bomb waiting to go off, and the only people who knew that, or were allowed by law to know that was his doctors.
He was able to buy guns "Legally" because there was no way of knowing he was a time-bomb. If there needs to be a change in a law anywhere, lets take a very close look at the doctor/patient, confidentiality laws. If anyone needed to know this kid was a ticking time-bomb, it should have at least been the police, and the gun store where he purchased his weapons "legally".

**wtnhunt** · 04-24-2007, 11:56 AM

It happened because there is something wrong with doctor/patient confidentiality and privacy laws. This kid was a time bomb waiting to go off, and the only people who knew that, or were allowed by law to know that was his doctors.

Law enforcement did know he was trouble. School officials, students, and professors knew there was a problem with him. Unfortunately there was a failure of communication in a terrible way.

With the sharing of information as it is supposed to be now, I do not understand why medical records are out of bounds for law enforcement agencies? Hipaa should not extend to preventing the appropriate agencies from getting this information. Makes no sense to me.

No doubt the laws in regards to purchasing firearms and what is reported on the background check will likely be being looked at, and probably in all reality needs to be. I mean if we are going to have to go through a check, they might as well check to see if someone has mental issues. Someone who has been institutionalized for mental illness and deemed a threat to themselves or others should never be sold a firearm.

Hunter36 · 04-24-2007, 04:46 PM

First of all it is terrible that this man lost his job doing his job! He is an educator and he was educating his students that people need to ba able to defend themselves. And if most of the students did not find anything wrong with this presentation or demonstration, why did he get fired?

My guess, as a current college student, is that some whimp of a human being in that class found it offensive that people actually think guns are a good idea. The minority complained and so the people in charge didn't hurt feelings this man was fired.

I have actaully been in a class where this question was asked by the instructor. If someone was to have a gun and threaten your life, a family members life, a friends life, or someone elses life, is it ethically/morally right to shoot that person? Would you shoot that person to protect yourself, is it right? And to my disbelief some people in the class said "NO". They said it is neve right to kill anybody for anyreason and they do not like guns. WHAT?

I said very nicely don't you think that your life is worth defending? Or someone else's? And there response was something like YEAH BUT....Then the instrucor turned to me and before he even asked the question I said I without a doubt would shoot them! No questions asked without hesitation.

I know that to say that now is easy and if put in that situation is a different thing. But, that is my belief. I believe that if someone wants to harm me or anyone I know or another innoccent victim they better get me before I get them.

Just my 2 cents

**wtnhunt** · 04-24-2007, 04:54 PM

Heard a little more on this story today. Seems 7 or 8 of his students have spoken up and are saying that the teacher should get his job back. At least that is what Fox is reporting. From what I heard he was merely recreating the events and I guess trying to show the class how the shooter might have been stopped

**stevebeilgard** · 04-24-2007, 09:54 PM

just another case of free speech. if you speak in liberal, it's great. if you are speaking as a conservative, you must be stopped...

**buckee** · 04-25-2007, 01:31 AM

Originally Posted by stevebeilgard

just another case of free speech. if you speak in liberal, it's great. if you are speaking as a conservative, you must be stopped...

YEP !!

**Texan_Til_I_Die** · 04-25-2007, 12:26 PM

Originally Posted by stevebeilgard

just another case of free speech. if you speak in liberal, it's great. if you are speaking as a conservative, you must be stopped...

Very succinct. I'll even go a bit farther and say that what this professor was saying wasn't particularly conservative. A conservative would say that the killing should have been stopped by someone at the scene who was legally armed. He merely pointed out what could have happened. But that simple, and in my opinion irrefutable, observation seems to have really hit a hot button with the administration of that college.