Do Some Research People!

[Jeramie]

I have a younger cousin that turned 29 last week. I called to wish him a happy birthday and the conversation went south about 5-minutes later.

Somehow we landed on politics. This Kid makes around 56k a year and votes…… bum, bum, bum… Democrat! What in the world!?!?!?!?!? He also has several guns and thinks Obama or Hillary would be a better choice then a republican because, “Look at the Mess Bush has landed us in. Bill Clinton would NEVER have put us in this mess!” Someone slap me, I’m about to say something to break my ties with family.

He then goes to spouting stuff about “Blood for Oil” and such. With a suit and desk he could have easily been on the evening news. To top that off he then told me how bad the Economy is due to the war and Bush’s presidency. “Clinton had the economy headed the right direction and bush wrecked it with the war.”

Pretty much in the run down and his thoughts on everything,
* Gas prices are set by republicans. That’s why they are so high. The rich are getting richer. He didn’t have a clue what OPEC was.
* Bush is an evil tyrant. This entire war is pointless and we shouldn’t be there. A democrat wouldn’t have put us in this situation.
* The Republican party is for the rich. Real people should vote democrat.
* Democrats aren’t trying to take away guns, after all, a lot of democrats own guns. Why would anyone want to take them away?
* And who cares as long as I have a paycheck, my roping horse, and beer to drink this weekend…..

AND HE VOTES! AHHHHHHHHHH!

At this point I’ve argued so much I’m salivating. Honestly, I’m lost at this point. How can anyone (especially someone who is a prime candidate for the Republican Party) able to believe every negative thing he has heard without looking into it!? AND HE VOTES.

We have been talking about it today at work. How in the world can anyone be so naive? There are millions out there that watch the evening news and say, “Wow, Bush is an idiot.” They don’t form their own opinions based on facts. They don’t consider the fact that taking oil is a war crime, the stock market and DOW have reported record high’s. We have to compete for Oil with China and everyone else. And other little matters such as Hillary’s campaign to make Illegals legal with a push of a pen and the fact that the Dems all voted for the war until it came to actually having to pay a price and then Bush was an Idiot.

These people put more though into what they are having for dinner then they put into where our country is heading! They simply hear something on TV and regurgitate it as truth. It makes me want to beat my head against the wall.




Btw, this was basically a rant and not necessarily a coherent one at that. I just needed to get that off my chest. Feel free to scream along....

[buckee]

I feel for ya. I hate getting into political discussions with friends. It's down-right dangerous.
It sounds like we has bought into every piece of hog-wash ever spewed eh. I bet his favourite movie producer is Michael Moore too.

You poor guy..LOL (sorry, didn't mean to laugh, but it's what I do best instead of crying )

[Newarcher]

Take him hunting on election day, drop him off at his stand location with a promise to be back about dark so you both can vote, and then don't pick him up!

You can't help the one liners. Those are people that spew forth the party line they heard the nightly news deliver or the latest thing Rosey said in an effort to be hip.

I usually shut them down by asking "Oh really, can you give me some evidence of that?" to whatever they say. Then they usually go awkkk...ahhh....well.....they say its so.

As someone once explained.....God made you about yeay long, the rest you did yourself. You can't help some people.

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[Jeramie]

You poor guy..LOL (sorry, didn't mean to laugh, but it's what I do best instead of crying )

I want to laugh about it but Im to outraged by the people voting without a clue what they are voting for!!

If Hillary gets in I can say, "Told you so." but some how I know that wont help the real pain. You all have any more room in Canada?

Ill come across Legal, I promise...

[wtnhunt]

Take him hunting on election day, drop him off at his stand location with a promise to be back about dark so you both can vote, and then don't pick him up!

LOL. That is a great idea.

How in the world can anyone be so naive?

Unfortunately Jeramie there are those out there who just don't seem to get it and really don't fully understand the repercussions of what happens now will be felt by our children and their children. Then there are those who believe what the liberal media anti Bush sentiment and cannot see what the media and the liberal lawmakers who have flaked out have done and are doing to this country .

Then you also have those who want what is best for them in THEIR OWN current situation regardless of what it may mean for the future of the country. It is sad for me to see that is where my parents are at right now at the current time, which goes totally against how I viewed them when I was growing up. They were a bit on the conservative side in a way. I cannot talk politics with them anymore. From my step fathers current vantage point(he is a Viet Nam vet now disabled), and yes he had some really ill feelings towards traitor Jane and nothing that she ever was in on the tv was allowed to be seen in our home when I was a kid, in yet he was willing to and I think he did indeed vote for Kerry . Anyways his view point now is that the conservatives have us brainwashed into having these concerns that the libs are trying to take away our guns and that we need to pull out and not worry about what will happen if we do not pursue terrorists where they are, they really believe that we bring our troops home everything will be hunky dory fine and dandy the world will live happily ever after . Really is a shame to see the separation in this country, and when it comes down to talking politics with family, sometimes in some situations you are really best off to just not go there at all .

[Texan_Til_I_Die]

Jeramie, what you're describing is the classic differences between Democrats and Republicans, or more precisely, between liberals and conservatives.

Liberals believe certain things because it's what they've been told by the press, by those in the entertainment industry, or others that they believe are smarter than them. Add to that the fact that their entire life is emotion, rather than logic, driven and you'll begin to see why they think the way they do.


Conservatives believe certain things because we analyze data and draw conclusions from that data. We also tend to separate the message from the messenger. Just because a conservative icon says such and such is good, I won't necessarily agree with them if I see facts that disprove their statement.

[Newarcher]

Jeramie, what you're describing is the classic differences between Democrats and Republicans, or more precisely, between liberals and conservatives.

Liberals believe certain things because it's what they've been told by the press, by those in the entertainment industry, or others that they believe are smarter than them. Add to that the fact that their entire life in emotion, rather than logic, driven and you'll begin to see why they think the way they do.


Conservatives believe certain things because we analyze data and draw conclusions from that data. We also tend to separate the message from the messenger. Just because a conservative icon says such and such is good, I won't necessarily agree with them if I see facts that disprove their statement.

That's exactly right Texan.

The difference between the liberal and the republican is usually the first paycheck of a professional career or trade. It's all theory and supposition until the deductions meet the paycheck.

My sister-in-law is a flaming liberal who had her flame extinguished just a little when she got married, had a kid, and bought a house. Suddenly those taxes for artwork that no one will buy don't seem so great. She's coming around.

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[muggs]

To play Devil's Advocate...why must we have blind faith for Bush? How anyone can say he's had a good tenure is beyond me. I consider myself a Republican who thinks Bush is a bad President. That's OK to admit, ya know.

Iraq has been botched since before we even declared war on them. Tax from oil sales are funded the mess over there, and the guy can't even finish a sentence. He's not a good President. That's OK to admit too.

[buckee]

To play Devil's Advocate...why must we have blind faith for Bush? How anyone can say he's had a good tenure is beyond me. I consider myself a Republican who thinks Bush is a bad President. That's OK to admit, ya know.

Iraq has been botched since before we even declared war on them. Tax from oil sales are funded the mess over there, and the guy can't even finish a sentence. He's not a good President. That's OK to admit too.

I guess you forgot who the alternates were...LOL

[Mathews XT Man]

And BUSH is an "IDIOT"..????

[Colorado Bob]

I think it was Churchhill who said " If you are under 40 & not a liberal--you have no heart. If you are over 40 & not a conservative---you have no brain."


Texan----I sort of disagree on---conservatives, analyze data & draw conculsions from that data. The one's I know----just spout off whatever Rush or Shawn say------Like it's gospel.

Not to many of us independents left out there. CB

[wtnhunt]

To play Devil's Advocate...why must we have blind faith for Bush? How anyone can say he's had a good tenure is beyond me. I consider myself a Republican who thinks Bush is a bad President. That's OK to admit, ya know.

Iraq has been botched since before we even declared war on them. Tax from oil sales are funded the mess over there, and the guy can't even finish a sentence. He's not a good President. That's OK to admit too.

Eric given the circumstances under which this President has had to deal with while in office, I think history will not have Bush down as a terrible President like you suggest. I would not say he is the greatest, but he has had to make tough choices, and done what he really feels is right for this country at this time when the challenges we have faced have been out of the ordinary. There are some who agree with him, I happen to be one of those who does, and those who do not like yourself. Everyone has a right to form their own opinions.

If it were not for the attacks on this country and those who want to kill us all, including those terrorists who happen to be in countries we are in now, would you view this President differently? Does it make any difference that they have not been able to attack as with another 9/11 type attack here on our own soil again? Getting right down to it, when Bush took office the economy was not so great, the country took a hit unlike we have ever before taken, the stock market fell and you know all about the war. For a very short time this country(political leaders included) seemed to put politics aside and were able to agree that we needed to go after all those who might want to get us first, that philosophy has been lost by those who now see it as unpopular due to the casualties of war. The economy has recovered, the stock market is at all time highs, but we still have men and women fighting for what some view as a necessity.

I have not been around for all that long, but I can say I have never in my life seen one President that has been criticized to the extreme that this one has. Catastrophic events such as hurricanes and how they were handled have even been used as political tactics by those who oppose the man to further create separation in this country. When in history in the past has such scrutiny over such been leveraged against a President for nothing more than political gains? Sure Clinton had his affairs and was pursued for his actions, but that was self brought upon, not like Bush asked to summon a hurricane, not like he invited the attacks on this country.

[muggs]

William, your point that Bush has had to deal with some extreme circumstances, is a good one and very true. Originally, I voted for Bush and was really glad that he was the Commander in Chief leading us into "the war of terror."

But since, my opinion has really changed. Saddam was a huge threat and needed to be taken out without question. He had the billions to bankroll terrorists, and he would have. But I believe the initial plan was inadequate, and the handling since victory was declared has been even worse. I know it's easy for me to sit here and criticize people who have to make the tough decisions...but they're the elected officials we trust to do so, and I don't think they're holding up their end of the bargain. I also think it's more than fair to define Bush's tenure by this war, and to me, it's an obvious failure.

I heard some stats and if they're true (I really have no way to know, but they came from CBS for whatever that is worth-maybe not much) but 51% of Iraqi's support attacks on coalition forces and even the very gov't we're trying to establish wants us out. The only reason we're over there is to set our chess piece on the global oil battle. Call me a liberal for thinking that...I don't care, to me, that's obvious too.

As far as the market being up, who knows why?? The only thing I do know is that it has nothing to do with Bush. Maybe bad news is good for Wall St. Gas prices are at record highs, we're at war, our auto mfgs. are all going bankrupt, all our descent jobs are being sent off shore, even our American flags are being made in China, terrorism is a constant threat, crime and drugs are running rampant, our country is politically divided, our President's approval rating is as low as it can go, etc. Yet the market is continuing its rocket ride (up 100 points yesterday). Again at record levels. Figure that one out...I can't, all I know is my thrift savings plan is doing well.

I guess my point (if there is one after all my ramblings) is that it's OK to admit Bush is failing in Iraq and still call yourself a Rebulican. When it comes to Bush, it seems like you have the devote followers who can admit nothing negative (Rush Limbaugh if you please) and the extreme liberals who's frantic rants discredit them. Why is there no happy medium?

[Texan_Til_I_Die]

I guess my point (if there is one after all my ramblings) is that it's OK to admit Bush is failing in Iraq and still call yourself a Rebulican.

That's exactly what I meant when I said conservatives, as a group, are much more objective than liberals. After all, when did we EVER see a Democrat/liberal admit that Bill Clinton was a royal screw up as president?

[Jeramie]

I never said "Bush couldn't have done any better!" Seriously. I think he was by far the better choice over Kerry.

Do I think he is doing a bang up job now, not necessarily.

My point is that most people are looking at this as a political battle. My cousin is the prime example thinking that the republicans are the ones running this country in the ground and putting Obama or Hillary in office will be wise because they aren't republicans.

The thing that really boils me about Democrats (as a party whole) is that they are using the media as a smear campaign. They are not stating any facts, they aren't digging up truths about the war, etc. Instead they air Bush = War. War = Death and bad Image. Death and invasion = Evil, err go Bush = Evil. (R) Bush = Republican, Republican = Evil

No one is even looking at the big picture! They aren't saying that Hillary is a windbag and that she is trying to take away guns. All they can see is that Bush is Evil! Get him out of office and vote in a good little girl. If he did the research he could have just as easily said, "Bush is botching the war but Im not voting for Hillary. Could you imagine what would happen if she were voted in during a war like this!" But he didn't. It was Hillary = Democrat. Democrat = no war, no blood for oil, no Bush. Er go, Hillary = Good!

People like that aren't doing any research. They are simply listening to the bias media and then stepping into a voting booth. Why I dont know, I guess they just like the free sticker.