Well, the South of the Border invaders have won

[Newarcher]

John McCain has shown once again--as he travels the talk show circuits with Ted Kennedy advocating this bill--why he cannot be trusted with the helm of this country.

The senate came to an agreement to provide amnesty to the lawbreakers who invade our country and give them a path to citizenship. The White House is in favor of it.

Unbelievable.....

New

[wtnhunt]

Have not seen any news today, but that about McCain really does not surprise me. Really dont think if he was to get the nod that I could vote for him, like you say, just dont trust him. He has proven to be flakey in the past.

[buckee]

What did they say the time limit for being in the country was, before being eligible for amnesty ??

[Newarcher]

What did they say the time limit for being in the country was, before being eligible for amnesty ??

What the heck does it matter?

We have laws currently on tbe books now that make it illegal to invade this country. They aren't being enforced as they stand. What makes anyone think that the $5,000 penalty or the waiting period or the maximum time in this country is going to be enforced either? The answer is that they aren't. This is a way to give amnesty with the prospects of enforcement of those laws but when the laws aren't enforced, I am sure that there will be another American Idol show on so no one will be paying attention. I suppose it will take an all hispanic American Idol before anyone sits up and takes notice.

The answer is that we have given the lawbreakers a path to citizenship and our elected officials care more about the future, potenital vote of the illegals than they do the citizens that live her and vote now.

Both of my Senators are supporting this crap and they have lost my vote.

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[hutchies]

Hey buckee got room up north for us? We maybe ran out of our own country one of these days.

[bulldawg]

One piece of good news here...I had to take my daughter in to the DMV to try to get her drivers license. The last time I took her, she failed. This time, fortunately she passed it. But, the last time...mid summer last year, we had to wait in line for almost 2 hours just to get up to confirm that she was in the building. And the people behind the desk were ticked because of all of the noise. It was just packed with spanish speaking illegals, and basically they just handed them licenses just to get the lines moving. Just to make an appointment was backed up for several months.
When I took her this time, the building had about 15 people in it. A sign on the wall stated that as of April 30, any aliens had to have proof of legal status, or no license. And, any misconceptions would be treated harshly. This is the first thing that Doyle has done for Wisconsin that is worth a pinch. I was pleasantly surprised.

Dawg

[stevebeilgard]

you mean someone actually trusted mckain???

[bobw]

yeah i did but live and learn..

[ruttinbuc]

From an email:

What a great idea!!

The Honorable Tom Harkin

731 Hart Senate Office Building Phone (202) 224 3254 Washington DC , 20510
Dear Senator Harkin,

As a native Iowan and excellent customer of the Internal Revenue Service, I am writing to ask for your assistance. I have contacted the Department of Homeland Security in an effort to determine the process for becoming an illegal alien and they referred me to you.
My primary reason for wishing to change my status from U.S. Citizen to illegal alien stems from the bill which was recently passed by the Senate and for which you voted.

If my understanding of this bill's provisions is accurate, as an illegal alien who has been in the United States for five years, all I need to do to become a citizen is to pay a $2,000 fine and income taxes for three of the last five years.

I know a good deal when I see one and I am anxious to get the process started before everyone figures it out.

Simply put, those of us who have been here legally have had to pay taxes every year so I'm excited about the prospect of avoiding two years of taxes in return for paying a $2,000 fine.

Is there any way that I can apply to be illegal retroactively? This would yield an excellent result for me and my family because we paid heavy taxes in 2004 and 2005.
Additionally, as an illegal alien I could begin using the local emergency room as my primary health care provider.

Once I have stopped paying premiums for medical insurance, my accountant figures I could save almost $10,000 a year.
Another benefit in gaining illegal status would be that my daughter would receive preferential treatment relative to her law school applications, as well as "in-state" tuition rates for many colleges throughout the United States for my son.
Lastly, I understand that illegal status would relieve me of the burden of renewing my driver's license and making those burdensome car insurance premiums. This is very important to me given that I still have college age children driving my car.
If you would provide me with an outline of the process to become illegal (retroactively if possible) and copies of the necessary forms, I would be most appreciative.

Thank you for your assistance. Your Loyal Constituent, Donald Ruppert Burlington, IA

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[FSU_Seminole]

This entire issue is laughable & why some of you guys think the republican party is serious about keeping illegals out is also laughable.

Democrats need hispanics here for the hispanic vote because minorities tend to vote democratic.

Republicans want them here for 2 reasons. They can get a slice of the conservative hispanic vote & the second reason is cheap labor. Small business owners who tend to vote republican want these people here. Nobody is forcing them to come here, if businesses didn't offer them jobs they'd stay home. I've seen countless times where these people are working in fields & working in construction getting paid under the table & they work without any benefits like medical or life insurance.

I believe people should be able to come to this country LEGALLY & if it were up to me I'd build a fence from Texas to California, round these people up & send them back, but its not going to happen.

This country is so polarized politically every vote really does count & neither party wants to upset the growing hispanic population in this country who are legal & elligble to vote.

[wtnhunt]

This entire issue is laughable & why some of you guys think the republican party is serious about keeping illegals out is also laughable.

Democrats need hispanics here for the hispanic vote because minorities tend to vote democratic.

Republicans want them here for 2 reasons. They can get a slice of the conservative hispanic vote & the second reason is cheap labor.

Seems kind of contradicting? Dont really know generally speaking that parties have anything to do with wanting or not wanting illegals here. Sure the dems in general as elected officials would like to see more illegals become legal as it would seem to benefit them in the way of more voters, dont think that means that all who are members of the dem party or are registered democrats as voters wants illegals invading our country and staying here though, while at the same time obviously some republicans too are more concerned with getting votes than they are with doing what is right for this country.

This country is so polarized politically every vote really does count & neither party wants to upset the growing hispanic population in this country who are legal & elligble to vote.

As illegals they have no right to vote, and that should not be changed to accommodate those who come here illegally. That right should not ever be afforded to illegals no matter what. Unfortunately some lawmakers republican and democrat both want to give away rights to those who have no problem breaking the law. That is a bad move in the eyes of this conservative minded independent.

[Newarcher]

Seems kind of contradicting? Dont really know generally speaking that parties have anything to do with wanting or not wanting illegals here. Sure the dems in general as elected officials would like to see more illegals become legal as it would seem to benefit them in the way of more voters, dont think that means that all who are members of the dem party or are registered democrats as voters wants illegals invading our country and staying here though, while at the same time obviously some republicans too are more concerned with getting votes than they are with doing what is right for this country.



As illegals they have no right to vote, and that should not be changed to accommodate those who come here illegally. That right should not ever be afforded to illegals no matter what. Unfortunately some lawmakers republican and democrat both want to give away rights to those who have no problem breaking the law. That is a bad move in the eyes of this conservative minded independent.

Well WTN on the last point, that ship has already sailed.

Illegals have been voting using fake ID's for some time now and prominent Democrats have already proposed to let illegals vote in local election. Once that is achieved, it will be State, and then Federal.

We lost to the invaders whose purpose isn't to become Americans but to take over the control of the Southwest and make it Mexican.

New

[wtnhunt]

Illegals have been voting using fake ID's for some time now and prominent Democrats have already proposed to let illegals vote in local election. Once that is achieved, it will be State, and then Federal.

You are right New, and that is unfortunate. ID theft is a whole issue in itself that illegals no doubt are very much involved in. Far as proposals, they are just that, guess we can only hope that enough people let their local lawmakers know that they do not support this type of recklessness and they come to their senses.

[Newarcher]

You are right New, and that is unfortunate. ID theft is a whole issue in itself that illegals no doubt are very much involved in. Far as proposals, they are just that, guess we can only hope that enough people let their local lawmakers know that they do not support this type of recklessness and they come to their senses.

Both Chambliss and Isakson, who both penned part of this bill.....BACKED AWAY FROM IT AND VOTED NO thanks to the political pressure.

The funny thing was Chambliss was quoted as saying that the response to the bill has been overwhelmingly positive with just a few negative responses....then he votes against it.

Chambliss is a Republican and I agree with much he stands for. However, I won't vote for him....he represents what I have come to hate about politics. He has his own agenda and when it doesn't mesh with his constituents, he tells them to go take a hike. I can't stand the guy.

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[malikai]

Alright guys, lets get this straight, neither party is doing anything about the illegals, George Bush said that he would protect the nation and he hasnt, he is basically succumbing to the liberals. Republicans are not doing anything either, the two parties are very alike nowadays. Its disgusting.

There are 13 million illegals here, mooching off of our taxpayer dollars, land and simple pleasures of life which we hold dear. If we grant amnesty to these people then we become an easier place to export drugs, etc.. Did any of you know, that 23% of our jails are filled with illegals? Also, there are hospitals in california that have gone bankrupt because of the amount of illegals they have to treat for medical injurys. These illegals cant pay for the treatment however the ACLU makes these hospitals treat these scoundrals for free.

Illegals go to our schools and get free lunches, supplies, and programs, off of our tax dollars, while bringing in more drugs and poverty.

We need a wall across the border or we will lose the soverignty of our nation, and the U.S. will just become a watered down mexico.

Cheers,

Joe