Fred's fizzlin'

[Newarcher]

I must say that I was really excited to see Fred enter the race but he is fizzling.

Whether that is the media keeping mum about him or just him, I haven't heard much and what I heard hasn't been pleasing.

He went and spoke to the Florida GOP and only spoke about 5 minutes...leaving everyone saying "is that it?".

I like him and I really like his message but this doesn't look great at this point.

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[stevebeilgard]

he sure has been quiet. maybe he can only read scripts.... i too, was anxious to hear whate he had to say, and so far am pretty disappointed

[wtnhunt]

Dont hardly think that I would say he is "fizzlin'" New. Maybe he had other obligations, http://www.usnews.com/blogs/news-des...es-voters.html. Dont think he is losing any ground on Giuliani either.

[Newarcher]

I don't know, wtnhunt.

Here's my point....there is reality and there is perception. I have heard Fred's message before and it is good old common sense that resonates with most people outside of the population centers. Mainstream America will lap it up, I believe. But even as a supporter, my general off the cuff gut feeling about Fred is that he isn't taking the lead and isn't out acting like the front runner. It almost has a feel of hesitancy. Again, maybe the pro-hillary media is suppressing him but just as the media cedes the primary to Hillary, they too seem to be ceeding the primary to Rudy.

I hate to say it, but I am left scratching my head wondering if Fred isn't vying for a VP slot somewhere. I hope I am wrong and I hope that he really picks up some steam and starts making headway.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071022/...ap_interview_2
In this interview he almost seems defiant about the expectations of the voters and supporters. Almost like, "my way or the highway". That may squeek him by in the primary but man it will kill him in the general.

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[wtnhunt]

Here are a few links on this topic that might interest you and anyone else New

http://fredfile.fred08.com/blog/2007...bate-reaction/
http://www.fred08.com/virtual/Immigration.aspx

Link to some video clips
http://www.fred08.com/FredCast/FredCastSummary.aspx

[Newarcher]

Here are a few links on this topic that might interest you and anyone else New

http://fredfile.fred08.com/blog/2007...bate-reaction/
http://www.fred08.com/virtual/Immigration.aspx

Link to some video clips
http://www.fred08.com/FredCast/FredCastSummary.aspx

Exactly my point.

Instead of being out there trumpeting how the Democrats and other Rrpublicans have no plan for illegal immigration (which IMHO will be the deciding factor in the election--unfortunately a close second to hillary's gender)....Fred is having to answer questions about his perceived laziness and unorthodoxed campaign strategy. It is like the old addage that if you let the sun set on a lie it becomes truth. If the majority of the press on Fred is that he isn't into the campaign and Fred is being asked more about that than his issues...he has lost. I hope he can change this image.

I plan on voting for Fred in the primary....I love the man and and message. I am getting worried though that he isn't doing the right things right.

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[wtnhunt]

Instead of being out there trumpeting how the Democrats and other Rrpublicans have no plan for illegal immigration (which IMHO will be the deciding factor in the election--unfortunately a close second to hillary's gender)....Fred is having to answer questions about his perceived laziness and unorthodoxed campaign strategy.

Shortly after I posted those links New, I heard on the news this morning that Fred has gotten a little more aggressive on his views of Giuliani and how Giuliani and Clinton are very similar, which is also shown to some extent in one of those links. Think it is expected nowadays to see candidates out attacking their opponents and we have not really seen that from Fred, he answers questions straightforward though every time he is asked, and does not dodge any questions. I don't think it is too late for him to get aggressive in campaigning and on sharing his stances on issues and his plans. Think his style is not to be so vocal with personal attacks as we have seen in the past, but instead to discuss the issues, not sure how that turns into the perception of laziness??? Maybe just maybe voters will appreciate that and it will be reflected in the election.

[Newarcher]

Shortly after I posted those links New, I heard on the news this morning that Fred has gotten a little more aggressive on his views of Giuliani and how Giuliani and Clinton are very similar, which is also shown to some extent in one of those links. Think it is expected nowadays to see candidates out attacking their opponents and we have not really seen that from Fred, he answers questions straightforward though every time he is asked, and does not dodge any questions. I don't think it is too late for him to get aggressive in campaigning and on sharing his stances on issues and his plans. Think his style is not to be so vocal with personal attacks as we have seen in the past, but instead to discuss the issues, not sure how that turns into the perception of laziness??? Maybe just maybe voters will appreciate that and it will be reflected in the election.

I agree....Fred answers questions like a statesman. He is concise and doesn't have to engage in doubletalk.

I think Fred is our only chance of beating Hillary. If Rudy is the candidate, we will lose. You already have the religious right saying that "even if Hillary is elected as a result, we will not vote for Rudy". That was from James Dobson... http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/05/...son/index.html. Again, darn the result, I will not vote for anyone favoring abortion...even...if...it...means...someone...much ...more...left wins. I hate abortion but electing Hillary by staying home won't solve anything. In fact it will make it worse. I love James Dobson but he has to look at the big picture. A Hillary win and this Country will embark down the slippery slope on sloalom skis. Isn't the Christian aim to defeat evil? I firmly believe that Hillary and her beloved Socialism are pure evil so isn't staying home helping evil win the day? Rudy also isn't doing well with the NRA that didn't like his little phone call in the middle of the speech stunt or his confusing the 4th and 2nd ammmendment during the speech (which is what I think the call was...an attempt to save him from the blunder). Rudy might siphon off some of the anti-Clinton liberal vote but not enough, IMHO, to overcome the anti-gay, anti-abortion, anti-gun control single issue voters who are looking to make a statement.

My hope is that when Clinton is elected, we hand her a Republican controlled Congress. With the approval rating at 11% and a significant majority democratic Congress that is a real possibility. If she gets in with a Democratic congress, look for severe tax increases and citizenship for the illegals...which will further guarantee Democratic control for a long time.

Sad! So hopefully Fred picks up some steam and rolls over Rudy (who I think would be a great leader but is too liberal to rally the conservatives and single issue voters).

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[wtnhunt]

Dont know New, seems a lot of the candidates are aiming their sites on Hillary, both republican and democrats alike. She may lose some of her popularity before this is all over with. I hold on to my hopes that Thompson beats Giuliani and gets in the White house.

[wing_0_nut]

Have any of you Fredheads taken a real look at Mike Huckabee and/or Duncan Hunter?

Fred has some serious problems with his stance on the blatantly unconstitutional McCain-Feingold act (campaign finance and the blackout of advertising before an election by issue-oriented groups.) The act was passed specifically to stop the NRA (and other similar narrowly focused groups) from using it's clout to get ISSUES before the public, so they would ask questions and get the candidates' TRUE opinions and records on important issues.

[wtnhunt]

Have any of you Fredheads taken a real look at Mike Huckabee and/or Duncan Hunter?

Yep, sure have, but dont think Huckabee or Hunter either one are electable at this point in time.

[Newarcher]

Yep, sure have, but dont think Huckabee or Hunter either one are electable at this point in time.

Exactly.

No candidate is going to be perfect...I like a lot about what Huckabee has to say as well but no one thinks he has a shot. He certainly cannot beat Hillary. Fred is the best shot, despite supporting McCain / Feingold (two absolute traitors to our Country and its Constitution).

I am with you wtnhunt, I am pushing hard for Thompson and perhaps much will change with regards to the election during the general.

If I were Thompson or whomever debates her in the election, I wouldn't miss an opportunity to look right in the cameras and say "Folks, everyone stop what you are doing out there in America and look at me...right here (point to his eyes)....this woman standing beside me is a socialist. I want to make you aware of some of the statements that have been made by Mrs. Clinton that prove she is a socialist". Then I would rattle off her absurd statements about confiscating oil company wealth to provide poor people funding, how some things would have to be taken from some for the benefit of the rest, and so on. There are no shortages of Hillary comments that are 100% socialism. Then I would rattle off what Socialism has brought the world. I wouldn't let up until the last ballot was cast.

I really fear that there are so many single women and single mothers willing to fall for Hillary's nonsense that she is almost unstoppable. The middle class is being pinched very hard and many are looking for help....I hope Socialism isn't going to be their answer. God help us I pray.

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[wing_0_nut]

...dont think Huckabee or Hunter either one are electable...

You think Fred is?

[Newarcher]

You think Fred is?

Sure, I think he is. I think he will be a VERY good alternative to Hillary across the heartland and especially in the Southeast. I suspect that half of the liberal Northeast will confuse Law and Order with 24 and think that they are voting for him for American idol!

But you bring up a huge point. Right now, the Republican machine is DEAD. I mean DEAD. I haven't heard anything from the leaders of the party. I mean NOTHING. Dennis Hastert was more vocal than boner. There seems to be zero coordination from the top. Zero drive. Zero communication of their vision. I think that spells significant defeat in the Presidential. Also, there are SEVERAL Republicans resigning their seats in the House that will result in possibly more victories for democrats to get those seats. Then the whole Larry Craig debacle....that guy just needs to disappear from public life. I think that the leaders didn't rally around him and he is out to harm them next year.

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[wtnhunt]

You think Fred is?

Yep, absolutely. I believe he can and will win the nomination and the election.

I like Huckabee, just dont think he really has the national recognition yet, kind of think that is being reflected in the polls that are out there.