Obama & Killing babies

**johnf** · 08-21-2008, 12:50 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pir-etUBKKU

How can someone defend or vote for a man who who could justify this?

**wtnhunt** · 08-21-2008, 01:14 PM

Did not watch all of your link yet John, will have to check back a little later.

Obama's latest comment on abortion as far as I am aware was at the Saddleback Church in reply to this question from pastor Rick Warren "At what point is a baby entitled to human rights?" this was the reply in Obama's own words "I think that whether you're looking at it from a theological perspective or a scientific perspective, answering that question with specificity, you know, is above my pay grade."

Rather than answering the question at that point, he avoided all together with a pretty poor reply. "Above his pay grade"?????

**EKYhunter** · 08-21-2008, 04:18 PM

That alone is enough for me not to vote for him, let alone everything else. How anyone can support this is beyond me. I hope to see this challenged in the SCOTUS soon.

Andrea · 08-21-2008, 07:31 PM

He's an idiot.

**struttinhoyt** · 08-21-2008, 10:49 PM

I really dislike that guy....

**EKYhunter** · 08-22-2008, 09:22 AM

Did anyone see the story last night about osama voting AGAINST a bill in the Illinois legislature that would require treatment for babies who survive an attempted abortion? To me that's just cold blooded! I wish McCain would use the audio from that vote in a commercial.

Andrea · 08-22-2008, 12:50 PM

Anti-christ.........

**Gator** · 08-22-2008, 01:23 PM

Originally Posted by Andrea

Anti-christ.........

Geez Andrea, tell us how you REALLY feel, don't hold back!!!

**johnf** · 08-23-2008, 04:46 PM

Originally Posted by EKYhunter

Did anyone see the story last night about osama voting AGAINST a bill in the Illinois legislature that would require treatment for babies who survive an attempted abortion? To me that's just cold blooded! I wish McCain would use the audio from that vote in a commercial.

That's what the video is about.

**FireStrut** · 08-23-2008, 10:37 PM

What a loser.

**Flintlock1776** · 08-24-2008, 07:16 AM

Lets see what the dope that is his VP choice will say. He is supposed to be a Catholic from Scranton, PA. That is a pretty conservative area.

Will he follow Obama's lead and forgo his background or did his conveniently toss that out years ago so he's going to support Obma's stupidity?

**Lead Poison** · 08-24-2008, 07:32 PM

Make no mistake, Barack Obama's an evil man.

**stringpicker** · 08-24-2008, 11:30 PM

I could not agree more with you guys about how socialist, one world government, pro-war, pro-murder (abortion), unconstituional, (the list goes on) Obama is. In the same sentence with all those you have to include McCain in that sentence as well. I am more worried if McCain gets in because people really believe that McCain really is better than Obama, because he is a GOP candidate. People think that they are doing America a favor by voting for McCain, but really they have the same stands on issues and neither one of them has a solution to any of our country's problems. He is pro-murder (abortion):
McCain told the Chronicle. ''But certainly in the short term, or even the long term, I would not support the repeal of Roe v. Wade, which would then force ... women in America to illegal and dangerous operations.''
http://graphics.boston.com/news/politics/campaign2000/news/Rift_within_GOP_is_widening_over_issue_of_abortion +.shtml

he is for gun control (check out why the Gun Owners of America gave him an F-rating)
http://gunowners.org/pres08/mccain.htm

he is for the war (which was not voted on by congress, which is unconstitutional )
he is for big government (also unconstituional), he is for wrecking the economy by doing absolutly nothing (ending the war and bringing ALL troops from ALL countries home and keep them here would save billions of dollars DAILY! Did you know we have troops in 130 different countires? No that is not a misprint). The real way to solve the problems with the economy is not to cut taxes and tax in other areas. The real solution is to abolish the Federal Reserve, which makes money out of thin air with no backing whatsoever. Money used to be backed by gold and silver, but now it backed by nothing but lies and greed from self-serving politicians.If you would like to see a working, simple, and constituional solution to our country's problem go to www.ronpaul.com. He ran for president but was snubbed by everyone, because it was not who the super elite wanted in office. If you are looking for a candidate that will be on the ticket in November check out Chuck Baldwin at www.baldwin08.com . He is running for the constituional party candidate. He is not like the candidates that keep producing the same embrassing headlines day after day.Most importantly this country was founded on Godly principles that we have wandered far from. We, as a country need to get back to God. Sorry for the long post, but people need to know.

James
www.baldwin08.com

**wtnhunt** · 08-25-2008, 12:02 PM

Originally Posted by stringpicker

I could not agree more with you guys about how socialist, one world government, pro-war, pro-murder (abortion), unconstituional, (the list goes on) Obama is. In the same sentence with all those you have to include McCain in that sentence as well. I am more worried if McCain gets in because people really believe that McCain really is better than Obama, because he is a GOP candidate. People think that they are doing America a favor by voting for McCain, but really they have the same stands on issues and neither one of them has a solution to any of our country's problems. He is pro-murder (abortion):
McCain told the Chronicle. ''But certainly in the short term, or even the long term, I would not support the repeal of Roe v. Wade, which would then force ... women in America to illegal and dangerous operations.''
http://graphics.boston.com/news/politics/campaign2000/news/Rift_within_GOP_is_widening_over_issue_of_abortion +.shtml

he is for gun control (check out why the Gun Owners of America gave him an F-rating)
http://gunowners.org/pres08/mccain.htm

he is for the war (which was not voted on by congress, which is unconstitutional )
he is for big government (also unconstituional), he is for wrecking the economy by doing absolutly nothing (ending the war and bringing ALL troops from ALL countries home and keep them here would save billions of dollars DAILY! Did you know we have troops in 130 different countires? No that is not a misprint). The real way to solve the problems with the economy is not to cut taxes and tax in other areas. The real solution is to abolish the Federal Reserve, which makes money out of thin air with no backing whatsoever. Money used to be backed by gold and silver, but now it backed by nothing but lies and greed from self-serving politicians.If you would like to see a working, simple, and constituional solution to our country's problem go to www.ronpaul.com. He ran for president but was snubbed by everyone, because it was not who the super elite wanted in office. If you are looking for a candidate that will be on the ticket in November check out Chuck Baldwin at www.baldwin08.com . He is running for the constituional party candidate. He is not like the candidates that keep producing the same embrassing headlines day after day.Most importantly this country was founded on Godly principles that we have wandered far from. We, as a country need to get back to God. Sorry for the long post, but people need to know.

James
www.baldwin08.com

Since this cut and paste reply was posted in three different threads including in this room, it would probably be best to pick one to debate it in and remove the other two. This one may well be as fitting as any so here it will stay.

I think most conservative voters would probably agree that McCain was not their first choice, however he is in my opinion on the issues that matter to me a better (less liberal) choice than the alternative whether he has an "F" rating from gun owners of America or any other source.

Seems there are some inconsistent or uncertainties around McCains remarks and voting on gun control issues depending on the source as well. According to his voting record and comments here http://www.ontheissues.org/domestic/...un_control.htm, I think some of what he has to says makes some sense, and looking at the record on voting it does not look like he is what I would really consider a "gun grabber".

Obama's short and clear record can be seen here http://www.ontheissues.org/domestic/...un_Control.htm. I just do not see these two candidates as being all that similar, not on gun control, or abortion, or several other issues that are important at this point in time.