Obama vs McCain

[toddyboman]

Ok I do not follow politics very closely......however I this I should now start to try and follow.

By just reading the first page of posts here you guys seem to not like Obama much......however what backing do you guys have for this...
Or what backing do you have for McCain being better or worse...

I have watched some of the DOC not much but some.....lots of stuff I don't know to agree or disagree cause I don't know what the other side has said or not said....
So any helpful info or links you guys have would be great....

Thanks.

[wtnhunt]

The decision for me is pretty clear and quite simple Todd. I see a candidate which better supports my views over the other.

You really need to look at Obama's very short record since he has been a senator and see how you feel about him. There are a lot of sources out there, you can go here to see Obama's record and information on him and go here and read through on McCain and make the best educated decision for yourself.

[Lead Poison]

The reasons for NOT wanting Obama are so obvious.

Barack Hussein Obama believe and supports the following:

1. Obama is without a doubt a Mega Taxing Liberal. Obama sponsored a bill that would tax Americans giving the money to foreigners!!!!
2. Obama supports baby killing (abortion, even late term abortion in which those babies that survived this evil would not be given medical aid)
3. Obama was a member of a truly RACIST church for over 20 years, never once did he disassociate himself with the racist pastor who married Barack and his wife and baptized his children, until the ugly truth came out about the church during the campaign.
4. Obama is anti-gun, anti-gun maker, anti-gun everything and would bring back the Brady bill. Gun rights will suffer like never before if Obama is elected!
5. Obama has said he will cut funding for development of new weapons systems for the military.
6. Obama has admitted he is friends with known, admitted, terrorist William Ayers, who said he feels he didn't do enough when he bomb the Pentagon and NYC police headquarters and to this very day wishes he had done more!
7. There are numerous terrorists, communists, and leaders of rogue nations that have voiced their support for Barack Hussein Obama-there's a reason for this and it isn't good.
8. Obama has opposed drilling for oil.
9. Obama always critizes America and praises socialist countries.
10. Obama wants socialized healthcare. The government can't keep social security afloat, where will they get the money for socialized healthcare?
11. Obama supports giving aid to illegal aliens!
12. With a Democratic congress, Obama will ruin our economy, our healthcare system and our national security!!!
13. There are numerous other reasons I didn't even mention.

[stevebeilgard]

obama is a phony. he's a socialist, says he'll raise your taxes, voted no on every gun bill presented, loves abortions including partial birth.... i could go on & on, but just think of him as the anti christ. he's close enough imho

[Texan_Til_I_Die]

Spotlight on Obama

[toddyboman]

I am 100% unsure on whom I am going to vote for...... I am trying to read and learn more about each before I make any decision......
There are things I like about McCain and things I do not like.
There are things I like about Obama and things I do not like.

I was reading about McCain the other day and I read that he voted with President Bush 80 or 90% of the time. Can't remember which.....Well I do not think currently the US is in the greatest of shapes. So I am really shocked to hear McCain say he is going to change things when in fact he has agreed with Pres Bush so often. So if McCain gets elected then it seems to me we are going to be in the same predicaments we currently are..... Anyone else see it this way too.....

[wtnhunt]

I am 100% unsure on whom I am going to vote for...... I am trying to read and learn more about each before I make any decision......
There are things I like about McCain and things I do not like.
There are things I like about Obama and things I do not like.

I was reading about McCain the other day and I read that he voted with President Bush 80 or 90% of the time. Can't remember which.....Well I do not think currently the US is in the greatest of shapes. So I am really shocked to hear McCain say he is going to change things when in fact he has agreed with Pres Bush so often. So if McCain gets elected then it seems to me we are going to be in the same predicaments we currently are..... Anyone else see it this way too.....

Todd, go to the links I posted in my first reply in this thread, they should answer a lot of questions that you may have.

This message Obama is trying to put out that Bush and McCain are the same is not accurate, look at the voting records for yourself.

[toddyboman]

Todd, go to the links I posted in my first reply in this thread, they should answer a lot of questions that you may have.

This message Obama is trying to put out that Bush and McCain are the same is not accurate, look at the voting records for yourself.

I have read the link a couple times and keep going back to it to compare. I have read what he voted for and against.

I do understand what Obama is trying to say....A number of sites have/do state that McCain agreed with Bush most of the time....

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/669/

http://www.factcheck.org/askfactchec...oted_with.html

[oldksnarc]

I, for one, don't believe Bush has been a bad President. I believe history will look back and have a totally different picture of him than the democrats try to paint.

He has made some tough decisions and has had the political courage to make unpopular decisions. He's even made decisions most other politicians supported until it was convenient for them to disagree.

He's blamed for us being entrenched in the war on terror - when we should have engaged in it 30 years ago. He's wrong for going into Iraq when he freed a people from a murderous, tyrannical dictator who killed his own people (even his own family members) and provided a safe-haven for other terrorists.

He's blamed for the economy and has little control over it. Congress can affect the economy more than the President. We've had a stronger economy with a rising stock market for the better part of 8 years. He inherited a recession from Clinton and turned it around. The stock market recently had a slump for a few months - but it was only correcting itself for growth without foundation. Last quarter's economic growth was 3.3% - not 4% or 5% some would have liked. But, it was growth.

He's blamed for unemployment - but he doesn't make the hiring decisions of businesses. Can you imagine the number of lost jobs if business/corporate taxes are raised by Obama backed by the dems?

He's blamed for the weather yet has absolutely no control over it - nor will the dems. Only One controls the weather. Global warming started back in the 1700 and 1800s at the biginning of the industrial revolution - not in January, 2001.

These are just a few simplistic examples.

So what if McCain has voted with President Bush 80 - 90% of the time? Don't count how many times - look at whether it was the right vote/thing to do at the time. Whether it was a vote for the right reason.

It's convenient to bash President Bush and blame him for all the ills of the country when he has little actual control over any of it. All he can do is make recommendations on policy and budget - it's Congress who makes the actual decisions and votes. Yes, President Bush can veto but if congress really wanted to they could over-ride him.

The only thing Bush had any real control over was whether or not he got favors from an intern in the Oval Office.

[Dawg]

I am 100% unsure on whom I am going to vote for...... I am trying to read and learn more about each before I make any decision......
There are things I like about McCain and things I do not like.
There are things I like about Obama and things I do not like.

I was reading about McCain the other day and I read that he voted with President Bush 80 or 90% of the time. Can't remember which.....Well I do not think currently the US is in the greatest of shapes. So I am really shocked to hear McCain say he is going to change things when in fact he has agreed with Pres Bush so often. So if McCain gets elected then it seems to me we are going to be in the same predicaments we currently are..... Anyone else see it this way too.....

It might stay the same with McCain, but it will get worse with Obama.


Here's all the proof I need not to vote for ANY democrat......their national symbol is a jacka**!!!

[crazylegz70]

I, for one, don't believe Bush has been a bad President. I believe history will look back and have a totally different picture of him than the democrats try to paint.


The only thing Bush had any real control over was whether or not he got oral sex from an intern in the Oval Office.

And this type of bashing is exactly why I dont like hearing and advice from anyone that is pushing McCain. All I read about is Obama can't do that, Obama is going to tax too much. Lets give him a chance and see. We gave President Bush a try and look what is going on. There is Def something wrong with the tax statement that MOST people make about Barack Obama. Obama will tax HIGH income people more....WHICH HE SHOULD.

And about your "bush is a good president topic" I agree with you partially, whats not to love

Decreased jobs
higher gas prices
poverty rate increasing
The american dollar diving
recession in general
A war we cant afford
threatening countries with "we will retaliate comments"

[wtnhunt]

And this type of bashing is exactly why I dont like hearing and advice from anyone that is pushing McCain. All I read about is Obama can't do that, Obama is going to tax too much. Lets give him a chance and see. We gave President Bush a try and look what is going on. There is Def something wrong with the tax statement that MOST people make about Barack Obama. Obama will tax HIGH income people more....WHICH HE SHOULD.

And about your "bush is a good president topic" I agree with you partially, whats not to love

Decreased jobs
higher gas prices
poverty rate increasing
The american dollar diving
recession in general
A war we cant afford
threatening countries with "we will retaliate comments"

Truth be told the bashing seems in many cases to be aimed more often at Bush and republicans than it is towards Obama, especially given the obvious media bias, but it does in some effect go both ways. Some of the bashing is totally baseless. Interestingly enough a recent poll showed that 51 percent of the people asked believed that the media was biased and attempting to portray Sarah Palin in a negative way.

While I tend to agree with pretty well all of what oldksnarc says here I am going to try my best to remain as neutral as possible, remember this thread is intended to help someone with answers. I really hope that we can get this thread back on topic and keep it there as an informative thread for those who are seeking to better educate themselves, so lets try and keep on topic here.

The topic is McCain and Obama, not Bush and Obama. McCain is not George Bush, just because they have voted similarly in the past year does not mean they have the exact same ideas nor does it indicate what type of leader John McCain will be or the direction he will take this country in.

As far as the idea of giving someone a chance, that could be said for any candidate. Maybe I should run, think anyone would give me a chance just because I think I know how we need to change our government?

[Hoosierbuck]

Jeeze o pete.
Crazylegs-you just ignore solid facts and references. We can not afford to give the guy a chance. It's not like we can just ask him to go away if we decide it's not working out. Irreparable damage will be done before he is out of office.
About your tax feelings- high income people bear an unbelievably disproportionate tax burden already. Think of it as a "Success penalty." Bush's tax cuts were, as a percentage, lower for the higher income people-ensuring they continue to bear a disproportionately high tax burden, but even a smaller percentage of a large number seems like a ton of cash to regular folks like me, and guys in tough spots like you. Keep in mind, though, that for you, based on your information from another post, a 10-12% tax break (a large percentage by any measure) doesn't amount to very many dollars at all, while 2% to a wealthy person is thousands or hundreds of thousands. How much would Obama have to cut your taxes to make life easy for you? 100% would still only be less than $60/month for you, right? How is that going to make everything better? It might help, a little, but that won't exactly have you living high on the hog, bud. Look at McCain's plans in the links. Why not give him a chance, he is NOT W.

Exactly how much burden are you going to heap onto the Democrat controlled Congress for your shopping list of economic woes? Where are they? They took a five week break when you needed them most. Where is the legislation from the Dems to fix these problems that Bush vetoed to wreck the economy? There wasn't any! They have failed you! By your logic, you gave them a chance, so now it's time to vote all them out and put in other guys.
Decreased jobs thanks in part to NAFTA, a gift from Bill Clinton.
Gas prices rising...due to bullying by foreign powers and our own reserves being off limits due to the Democrat controlled Congress.
A war we can not afford...to lose.
Standing up to bullying foreign powers.
Come on, man, you are smarter than to fall for the whole Democrat party line... If Obama had a parrot is would jsut keep chanting "Change" and "McCain is Bush, AWWWK!" Sounds like the media, doesn't it?

HB

[Hoosierbuck]

Now.. back to the OP...I will tell you about two issues, and my opinions on them.
1) Guns. I like 'em. Obama has voted against gun rights consistently in Illinois and US Senate. That in itself says something, he takes a stand against gun rights when for almost everything else he is merely, "present." His view on guns is shaped by the Democrat party line. Pelosi, Reid, et. al. Not good for us. This is a reflection in part of his view of the Constitution. I believe it means what is says, and should be interpreted as such, and based on the intent of the men that wrote it. This is called strict construction. (I went to law school for that??) Obama believes it's more of a guideline, really, and needs to be "changed" from time to time, you know, updated to keep it hip and fresh. I don't give a damn if liberty and freedom from unwarranted government intrusion are not popular any more, I still want those things. (Is this the "change" he is so enthusiastic about, I wonder?) He will put Judges (Federal judges never get voted out, once appointed they are there until they quit or die) on benches that will reflect his views of the Constitution and wreak havoc on us for decades, perhaps.

2) Abortion. Save the baby humans. I have kids. I like them. I like other people's kids, even the bratty ones don't deserve to have been killed before they were hatched. Obama favors a (euphemisism coming) "woman's right to choose." SO DO I! She should be able to choose whether or not she has sex. I will put anyone in prison who denies her that choice, 20-50 for rape. She should be able to choose whether or not she uses contraception. If she botches those two choices, and ends up pregnant when she does not want to be, then I part ways with Obama. He says go ahead and kill it! (Not only that, but with his socialized medicine plan, he will make me help pay for it!) I say, if being pregnant isn't going to kill her, then the baby's RIGHT to be left alone and left alive trumps her "choice."

There, that's two issues I have with Obama; and MCain is a strict constructionist, and wants to save baby humans.

HB

[crazylegz70]

I am not going to continue to argue about this...

You have your beliefs and I have mine....This really has me Pi##### enough to leave these forums....