barak obama

[stevebeilgard]

president elect barak obama has been named gun salesman of the year. since his election in november, gun sales have sky rocketed to levels never seen before. how ironic is that???

[Adjam5]

I pray we NEVER need our guns, like we think we MAY need them.
But better to have 'em and not need 'em than to need 'em and not have 'em.

[ruttinbuc]

Yep, you can read it here....

http://www.shootingwire.com/

[wtnhunt]

I might actually laugh at this Steve, if not for wanting to add a few more guns to my collection one of which I probably will not be able to thanks to the frenzy which has driven prices on the rifle through the roof where you can even find them.

That is a good article too Mike.

[bowhuntnsmycrack]

ya know when i get my taxes back i might just buy me a smith and wesson m&p 15 just for the heck of it... good huntn rifle. KISS MY GLOCK OBAMA

[Countryblk]

Sir, I surely hope that you just DID NOT threaten the life of the President of the United States of America. No matter your personal feelings toward the man, that is completely uncalled for and a reportable offense.

[wtnhunt]

Sir, I surely hope that you just DID NOT threaten the life of the President of the United States of America. No matter your personal feelings toward the man, that is completely uncalled for and a reportable offense.

Welcome to the forums.

You may be reading something in that is not there, looked like the "KISS MY GLOCK" comment was intended as a joke kind of like kiss my hind end.

Sometimes helps to use smilies here.

[Texan_Til_I_Die]

Sir, I surely hope that you just DID NOT threaten the life of the President of the United States of America. No matter your personal feelings toward the man, that is completely uncalled for and a reportable offense.

How in the world would you construe that from what he posted?
Are you perchance being hypersensitive on that issue?

BTW - Welcome to the forums.

[muggs]

Paranoia is one of the most commonly used tools of propaganists...keep them afraid and they're easy to control. The NRA is well versed in this matter.

btw- I checked my cabinet last night...all my guns were still there. That said, I guess an excuse to buy a new gun isn't such a bad thing.

[Adjam5]

Paranoia is one of the most commonly used tools of propaganists...keep them afraid and they're easy to control. The NRA is well versed in this matter.

btw- I checked my cabinet last night...all my guns were still there. That said, I guess an excuse to buy a new gun isn't such a bad thing.

Muggs, you still have'nt answered the fact, the your boy has surrounded himself with all the Clinton gun ban people.
Some change... Tigers don't change their stripes.
Joe Biden, who wrote the original assault weapon ban in 94. Think he is done and forgot about it?That was repealed due to its ineffectiveness at stopping crime. Less than 1/10 of all guns used in crimes were military styled semi auto weapons. (FBI uniform crime report in 2004). Thank God for that sunset provision the the Republicans put in or they would not have passed it.
Eric Holder, attorney general. The Clinton point man for gun control.
Again...some change.
I do hope BHO helps America prosper and proves himself to be a worthwhile president. But everyone around him has a antigun track record that is hard to ignore. Not hysteria...just facts.
I have to give BHO a chance...I have no choice. I just hope you enjoy the crow come time to eat it, if you eat crow I lose.
But if I have to eat the proverbial crow...I win.
I hope I have to eat crow and we do not lose any more gun/ammo rights.
Deal?

[muggs]

Muggs, you still have'nt answered the fact, the your boy has surrounded himself with all the Clinton gun ban people.
Some change... Tigers don't change their stripes.
Joe Biden, who wrote the original assault weapon ban in 94. Think he is done and forgot about it?That was repealed due to its ineffectiveness at stopping crime. Less than 1/10 of all guns used in crimes were military styled semi auto weapons. (FBI uniform crime report in 2004). Thank God for that sunset provision the the Republicans put in or they would not have passed it.
Eric Holder, attorney general. The Clinton point man for gun control.
Again...some change.
I do hope BHO helps America prosper and proves himself to be a worthwhile president. But everyone around him has a antigun track record that is hard to ignore. Not hysteria...just facts.
I have to give BHO a chance...I have no choice. I just hope you enjoy the crow come time to eat it, if you eat crow I lose.
But if I have to eat the proverbial crow...I win.
I hope I have to eat crow and we do not lose any more gun/ammo rights.
Deal?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not crazy about a lot of his policies (namely his usual dem stance on pro abortion and his voting record on gun control). Actually, I'm for some gun control, I just don't think the way they're going about it is going to accomplish anything but taking the guns out of law abiding citizens hands. I'm also not a Hilary fan at all...needless to say, I actually find it hard to believe anyone is. I'll have you know that I voted for McCain.

That said, I'll believe all this gun hype when I see it. You guys are going ape for no reason. It's not a stretch to say he's got more pressing issues to address, other than supposedly taking our guns away.

That also being said, I have no need for an AR-15. I bow hunt, own a few rifles, a few shotguns and plan to buy my first hand gun in the near future. I have no need for assault rifle...and I hate to break this to you...neither do any of you.

But I'm for Obama now because he has very solid leadership skills, is intelligent, and whether you all want to admit it or not...he's brought hope to our Nation in a time we've needed it.

Bush had some epic challenges to overcome. Not even a year into his Presidency he had to deal with 9/11. But even with taking that into consideration, it was by far the worst administartion I've seen in my lifetime. My main beef is how the Iraqi war was structured from the get-go. Norman Schwartzcoff (spelling??) recommend "X" amount of troops, and the Bush camp choose to send in 1/4 of that strenght. He also spread us too thin on both the fronts. Poorly...poorly handled, not to mention his declaration of victory aboard that aircraft carrier while our boys are still dying over their for what now could very well be in vain.

Bush was not a leader...plain and simple.

So we got our guy in there. Whether you choose to get behind him is up to you. Like it or not, he's there for 4 years...minimum and I'd say you can almost guarantee he'll be there for 8. Be an American, and let's support him and hopefully this boat gets turned around. Sure, things will naturally improve and he'll get the credit, but I also think he has the skill set to do very well.

[wtnhunt]

Don't get me wrong, I'm not crazy about a lot of his policies (namely his usual dem stance on pro abortion and his voting record on gun control). Actually, I'm for some gun control, I just don't think the way they're going about it is going to accomplish anything but taking the guns out of law abiding citizens hands. I'm also not a Hilary fan at all...needless to say, I actually find it hard to believe anyone is. I'll have you know that I voted for McCain.

That said, I'll believe all this gun hype when I see it. You guys are going ape for no reason. It's not a stretch to say he's got more pressing issues to address, other than supposedly taking our guns away.

That also being said, I have no need for an AR-15. I bow hunt, own a few rifles, a few shotguns and plan to buy my first hand gun in the near future. I have no need for assault rifle...and I hate to break this to you...neither do any of you.

Eric, I used to not be all that familiar with the evil black rifles, and also viewed ownership of them similarly to how you do, although I do not recall ever thinking it would be ok for the government to take them away from people who owned them, which whether you will agree or not is a high priority for some dems. May be naive on our parts to think that because there are more important issues that these will not get looked at or acted on.

I have to admit I had my eyes opened a bit thanks to a few people who steered me in the right direction. You might want to look at it a bit differently or with a bit more open mind rather than thinking there is no place for them because you would likely never use one. Consider AR's as semi auto varmint rifle that has accuracy in some cases better than bolt guns, do they then have a place? I purchased my first AR the summer before last, it is a lot of fun to shoot, my kids have shot the gun several times, it is still more economical to shoot than our bolt deer rifles and is great for practice, I like to think all the practice has improved my kids shooting skills. The AR I happen to own will in most cases shoot remanufactured ultramax ammo in 3/4 inch or smaller groups from the bench at 100 yards with me as the shooter and I am not the greatest shot. The gun has been deadly on yotes here, although I have yet to have to have had to fire multiple rounds on yotes with that rifle, it is nice to know that is an option.

You might also want to ask yourself if semi autos are an issue, which to the gun control people most certainly are, then do you really think they want to stop with just the AR's? I think you know better, some semi auto's would quickly follow and those could be guns used for all sorts of hunting from upland game to big game. The thugs murdering people are not legally buying the AR's from dealers anyway, so what purpose does it serve for the government to tell us that these have no place in the publics hands and that we should have no right to own or purchase them? What about self defense, is it not my right to own a semi auto to defend my home from those who do own illegal weapons who will never turn them over?

But I'm for Obama now because he has very solid leadership skills, is intelligent, and whether you all want to admit it or not...he's brought hope to our Nation in a time we've needed it.

Bush had some epic challenges to overcome. Not even a year into his Presidency he had to deal with 9/11. But even with taking that into consideration, it was by far the worst administartion I've seen in my lifetime. My main beef is how the Iraqi war was structured from the get-go. Norman Schwartzcoff (spelling??) recommend "X" amount of troops, and the Bush camp choose to send in 1/4 of that strenght. He also spread us too thin on both the fronts. Poorly...poorly handled, not to mention his declaration of victory aboard that aircraft carrier while our boys are still dying over their for what now could very well be in vain.

Bush was not a leader...plain and simple.

So we got our guy in there. Whether you choose to get behind him is up to you. Like it or not, he's there for 4 years...minimum and I'd say you can almost guarantee he'll be there for 8. Be an American, and let's support him and hopefully this boat gets turned around. Sure, things will naturally improve and he'll get the credit, but I also think he has the skill set to do very well.

Despite his past record I am looking at Obama with an open mind, and I do believe the man has an ability to tell people what he thinks they want to hear(a politician good at his craft imagine that) and do it in a way that awes people by the masses. I do agree, hard not to, that he is connecting with certain groups and I think he does have some leadership qualities that will prove vital to the man being able to get anything accomplished, good or bad. Hopefully he does not accomplish too much of what I view as bad and does not cause any irreparable damages.

Another thing to remember here too is that our military had huge cuts under Clinton and we did not have the manpower we should have. I agree that it was a mistake not sending enough troops, shame we did not have the men and women trained ready to go like we used to have.

Bush was not as good a politician as some and that was very apparent, but as president I personally think sometimes it takes someone who is more than just another politician, and I still think Bush will be viewed differently 15-20 years down the road than how so many see him now. He admits he made the unpopular decisions that no one would have wanted to make, I do not envy where he was at one bit. A shame really that so many just don't get that. Whether you like it or not, this country has not had another attack on our soil, I like to think it is because we took the attack to them, think there are more than just a few military folks who agree with that as well. Sure there have been consequences and casualty of war, but the what if's in the event we had instead been complacent might far outweigh the losses we have suffered to date.

[PotashRLS]

I'm for gun control too Muggs, cause if you don't have control, you'll never hit what you are shooting at!

[muggs]

See, that's what I mean...no one needs an AR-15 for "varmit control" William, I'm sorry.

And I'm really surprised you think anyone is going to be able to, in your own words, " it would be ok for the government to take them away from people who owned them." I'll address that in two parts.

1.) I never said I thought it was okay for something like that to happen.
2.) That will never happen.

Do you imagine hoards of Gestapoesqu troops forcing their way into your home and taking your guns? Is that how you imagine Obama and the Dems will accomplish that?

Let us remember here guys and gals- we have a Constitutional Amendment granting us this right.

And please, never accuse me of not having an open mind, if anything, let's all I've ever had. Matter of fact, it's so open that I will not allow myself to be swayed into buying the company line of any propoganda machine...like the NRA or whom ever. And for all of you who support and belong to the NRA, I'd recommend that you take a step back and ask yourself "is my best interest their main intention, or am I a pawn?"

[Adjam5]

That also being said, I have no need for an AR-15. I bow hunt, own a few rifles, a few shotguns and plan to buy my first hand gun in the near future. I have no need for assault rifle...and I hate to break this to you...neither do any of you.

Muggs, I enjoy your input. Please do not take anything personal. You make me think and I hope I do the same with my posts

So your needs satisfy all of our/my needs or wants?
Spoken like a true democrat. They know what is best for me???
A assault rifle is a fully automatic weapon, those weapons are restricted to ONLY class 3 FFL holders. That term was created by Adolph Hitler. Now, if you are talking about semi auto rifles, that function just like anyone's Remington 7600 or Bennelli. You are judging a weapon just on looks. I don't need that kind of gun? Your kidding me right?
Less than 1/10 of 1% of all guns used in crimes comprise those types of weapons.(2004 FBI uniform crime report)
What about the simple fact that I am a law abiding American that has done nothing wrong, with freedoms protected under the Constitution? That don't count?
Why fear me owning that type of gun, or even object to ANY law abiding citizen owning one?
Why stop there?...who needs a car that goes over 60 mph?
Or a Hamburger with 2000 calories? Or a $10,000 ring on their finger? Or a 5000sqft home? I can go on...
To make the argument that the Founding fathers did not mean those types of guns when they wrote the 2nd amendment, would mean that the internet should not be protected under the 1st amendment(free speech), because the Founding fathers surely couldn't have conceived the internet either at that time in America.
Fear the government that fears your guns.
The 2nd amendment was placed to guard against Tyranny and preserves ones right to self defense.
I hope your right and I'm wrong on BHO and the gun issue. But as long as there are sportsmen who consent to any type gun ban. Our rights will continued to be whittled away at.
Just ask Jim Zumbo. Remember his mistake? Saying no one should have a AR15? He paid dearly for that statement.
Who did he go to for guidance? Uncle Ted Nugent.
Jim Zumbo is back on track now.
Muggs, we must hang together as gun owners or certainly we will all hang alone.