Loosing Jobs!?!?!?!?

[LifeNRA]

Funny, everybody is getting laid off left and right. When do you think this downhill slide started? I got the idea, lets go back when clinton was in office! ONE WORD!!!

NAFTA!!!

The dems started this, Bush didn't help when he started the same with mexico! I say get rid of NAFTA, and get our jobs back here where they BELONG!!! If we were all working like before this STUPID program was even started, I sure we would have such a high un-employment right now!

[PotashRLS]

The irony, though scarey, is that folks flippin burgers are happy just to be working. Not good at all.

[goodnottygy]

I actually just started a thread "Do remeber when Ross Perot"..... on this very subject today. We are on the same wavelength. Read it and weep! NAFTA has started that giant sucking sound of disapearing American jobs that Perot said was going to happen with NAFTA. Our politicians have sold us out and we are on our way to being a 3d world country, if things don't turn around! All politicians have wanted this, both Democrats and Republicans! NAFTA and World trade stinks!

[stevebeilgard]

i think all our wasted spending and lack of use of our natural resources is more to blame than nafta.

[LifeNRA]

i think all our wasted spending and lack of use of our natural resources is more to blame than nafta.

Tell that to the steel workers, clothing manufactures, and thousands of other jobs that lost lost due to outsourcing! I work in the printing industry. All the reps that come in here are saying the same thing! Too many jobs going over seas.

Ill bet that most of you don't even know this! I had an xray a few months back, the docs said we will have to wait about 30 minutes for results. I said why? They told me that the xrays are being read in Australia!!! YOU GOT TO BE KIDDING ME!!! They fax them over there, read them, then send them back! A lot of hospitals are switching to this according to them!

Have you been in walmart lately? Go see where all the products are being made! Yes we do spend a lot, and waste a lot! But you got to have a job in order to spend anything!

[goodnottygy]

Politicians from both sides embraced NAFTA! It and world trade ruined our economy! Yet, paid lobbyist wanted it, not the citizens! So be it! I am sick of politicians doing what they want to, instead of what the citizens want. Taxation without representation! I can name numerous manufacturing jobs sent overseas and to Mexico! Who is going to buy those Levis and Stetson hats if noone has a job! They were big manufacturers from my area that left. I voted for Ross Perot and he knew this was going to happen! All the politicians wanted it and sold us out! Wake up people, both repubicans and democrats are to blame... so quit pointing fingers and vote for someone who is not bought and paid for before they enter office!

[wtnhunt]

Politicians from both sides embraced NAFTA! It and world trade ruined our economy! Yet, paid lobbyist wanted it, not the citizens! So be it! I am sick of politicians doing what they want to, instead of what the citizens want. Taxation without representation! I can name numerous manufacturing jobs sent overseas and to Mexico! Who is going to buy those Levis and Stetson hats if noone has a job! They were big manufacturers from my area that left. I voted for Ross Perot and he knew this was going to happen! All the politicians wanted it and sold us out! Wake up people, both repubicans and democrats are to blame... so quit pointing fingers and vote for someone who is not bought and paid for before they enter office!

Unfortunate that in this world we live in today that those who you refer to who are not bought are in the very rare minority and in most cases have no real chance and only pull votes away from the lessers of evils we have to choose from. Sometimes voting outside the two main parties does no good for anyone. Ross Perot had some interesting ideas, however he probably did not help this country with his run and even with knowing this was going to happen, who is to say that had he gotten in office that he would have done anything that would have us in any different situation. After all the President while he does have a role, cannot be effective without some cooperation from the house and senate and the two main parties who form them. How effective might Ross have really been able to be.

[goodnottygy]

I agree that he (Perot) could not have done much without some cooperation from congress and the senate. I am a believer that our congress and senators are given gifts by lobbiests. It does have an impact on their decision making and policies. Companies use ex-politicians as paid lobbiests. So... to me, it looks like, hey, if you work for me as a politician, if you are not re-elected... I have a job for you! That is being bought and paid for. I know former politicians that are hired as "consultants" after bending over backwards for a big business, going against their constituants. That, my friend, is being bought and paid for.... and is the rule, not the exception.... but that is your opinion (and I respect it) and this one is mine.

[wtnhunt]

I agree that he (Perot) could not have done much without some cooperation from congress and the senate. I am a believer that our congress and senators are given gifts by lobbiests. It does have an impact on their decision making and policies. Companies use ex-politicians as paid lobbiests. So... to me, it looks like, hey, if you work for me as a politician, if you are not re-elected... I have a job for you! That is being bought and paid for. I know former politicians that are hired as "consultants" after bending over backwards for a big business, going against their constituants. That, my friend, is being bought and paid for.... and is the rule, not the exception.... but that is your opinion (and I respect it) and this one is mine.

Don't think I ever disagreed with what you said about politicans being bought. Think I said those who are not bought are in the very rare minority.

[Texan_Til_I_Die]

One of the dirty little secrets that you'll NEVER hear a politician admit to, is the fact that NAFTA, and other trade agreements are one of the best deterrents to war that exist. It's virtually unheard of for two countries that have significant amounts of commerce flowing between them, to resort to armed conflict to settle disagreements.

And slightly off topic, but another never mentioned dirty little secret is that large armies need occasional acts of actual combat to keep themselves ready. That's why you see actions like Grenada, Panama, and Haiti. During extended times of "peace," these serve to keep our military forces sharp.

[EKYhunter]

One of the dirty little secrets that you'll NEVER hear a politician admit to, is the fact that NAFTA, and other trade agreements are one of the best deterrents to war that exist. It's virtually unheard of for two countries that have significant amounts of commerce flowing between them, to resort to armed conflict to settle disagreements.

And slightly off topic, but another never mentioned dirty little secret is that large armies need occasional acts of actual combat to keep themselves ready. That's why you see actions like Grenada, Panama, and Haiti. During extended times of "peace," these serve to keep our military forces sharp.

Very good post. Makes a lot of sense to me.

[goodnottygy]

wnthunt... could you PLZ put on a different picture... I have trouble arguing politics with a 3 year old twisting her hair! LOL! Sorry....LOL! But it is cute!

[EricF]

I agree NAFTA was a starting point. I just mentioned this in conversation a few days ago. My hometown lost hundreds of jobs back then because the textile industry went south like a flock of migrating geese and quick. Buildings are still empty to this day.

[muggs]

Capitalist greed is what has ruined our economy.

[Texan_Til_I_Die]

Nothing wrong with capitalism or greed as long as it is done strictly within the laws and regulations.