Obama Backs Bush Law on Guns in National Parks

[nativetexan]

Obama Defends Bush Rule on Permitting Guns in National Parks

The regulation took effect Jan. 9 and allows visitors to bring concealed, loaded guns into national parks and wildlife refuges.

FOXNews.com


The Obama administration is going to bat for former President Bush by defending his last-minute rule allowing loaded guns in national parks.
The Washington Post reported Tuesday that while the Interior Department is internally reviewing whether the measure passes environmental muster, the Justice Department sought to block a preliminary injunction of the controversial rule in response to a lawsuit filed Friday by gun-control and environmental groups.
The regulation took effect Jan. 9 and allows visitors to bring concealed, loaded guns into national parks and wildlife refuges. For more than 20 years, they were allowed in such areas only if they were unloaded or stored and dismantled.
The three groups fighting to overturn the rule are the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, the National Parks Conservation Association and the Coalition of National Park Service Retirees. They contend that the Bush administration violated several laws in issuing the rule, such as failing to conduct a sufficient environmental review under the National Environmental Policy Act. They also claim that the new policy could discourage some visitors from visiting national landmarks.
But the Justice Department said in its reply that the new rule "does not alter the environmental status quo, and will not have any significant impacts on public health and safety."
Interior Secretary Ken Salazar has requested an internal assessment of whether the measure has any environmental impacts the government needs to take into account, an Interior spokesman told the newspaper Monday.

[Strut10]

So now B. Hussein's the pro-gun advocate, huh???

Something smells here.

[RTF]

Something smells here.

LOL ! You have no idea.

http://field-n-water.com/politics/gu...le-with-hr-45/

[wtnhunt]

Good article there Cliff.

Somehow this support of the Bush Rule seems like an empty gesture from Obama.

[muggs]

Real men would just admit it...all your paranoia just may be unfounded and your initial reactions just may have been hysterics.

Instead, you react with pure suspicion or just won't credit the man. Priceless..."group think" is an interesting subject to me.

[wtnhunt]

Real men would just admit it...all your paranoia just may be unfounded and your initial reactions just may have been hysterics.

Instead, you react with pure suspicion or just won't credit the man. Priceless..."group think" is an interesting subject to me.

Admit what Eric? That Obama did something that was unexpected.

Who said anything about paranoia here anyway? Have you listened to anything that the man has said in regards to gun control? Are you aware of his support for bans on handguns and of his support for bans on semi auto's(both shotguns and rifles)?

[Dawg]

Hmmm.............we'll see the true Obama by years end.

I think this is a move just to try and pacify the gun rights group.

[muggs]

Who said anything about paranoia here anyway? Have you listened to anything that the man has said in regards to gun control? Are you aware of his support for bans on handguns and of his support for bans on semi auto's(both shotguns and rifles)?

Where are you getting your information?

[wtnhunt]

Where are you getting your information?

Which part Eric, the part where I watched the man say what he said in regards to the supreme court ruling last year? The part where I watched the man say that folks cling to their religion and guns? The part where he appointed Eric Holder as AG? The part where Obama endorsed the Illinois handgun ban? The part where he said that Bush was in error in regards to the AWB? The part where in 1998 on the IL state legislative national political awareness test Obama voted in favor of banning all semi auto's, but then claimed that it was a staffer and not him who voted?

What is the point in posting sources when you will just say they are biased, of course it is tough to argue that the man has said what he has said with it being there for anyone to see, all you have to do is watch and listen with your own eyes and ears. Of course then I guess there is also then the argument that what he said is somehow being spun.

[Texan_Til_I_Die]

Where are you getting your information?

Here's a few FACTS - All 100% verified.


While running for office in Illinois, Obama was sent a questionnaire by a Chicago nonprofit, Independent Voters of Illinois. Here are his responses on the gun control section:

Do you support state legislation to:
a. ban the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns? Yes.
b. ban assault weapons? Yes.
c. mandatory waiting periods and background checks? Yes.

In 2000 he cosponsored a bill to limit handgun purchases to one per month (it did not pass).

He voted against a bill that would protect innocent people from lawsuits if they violate local weapons bans in cases of self-defense.

Barack Obama quote: "I believe in keeping guns out of our inner cities, and that our leaders must say so in the face of the gun manfuacturer’s lobby." (in other words, where you live decides whether or not you have a right to self defense)

Barack Obama quote: "I think it is a scandal that this president (meaning Bush) did not authorize a renewal of the assault weapons ban."

From Barack Obama's answers on the 1998 IL State Legislative National Political Awareness Test Jul 2, 1998
Ban the sale or transfer of all forms of semi-automatic weapons.
Increase state restrictions on the purchase and possession of firearms.
Require manufacturers to provide child-safety locks with firearms.

July 29, 2005 Senate Bill 397 Barack Obama voted AGAINST ending frivolous lawsuits against gun manufacturers.

[goodnottygy]

The economic stimulis is working well... I just ordered an AR-15 upper and lower. It said on the website, since the election, shipping may be 12 to 16 weeks and was previously 2 to 4 weeks.

[wtnhunt]

The economic stimulis is working well... I just ordered an AR-15 upper and lower. It said on the website, since the election, shipping may be 12 to 16 weeks and was previously 2 to 4 weeks.

Your lucky, my dpms .308 I ordered back in January is about a year out.

[muggs]

Here's a few FACTS - All 100% verified.

100% verified through whom?

The way I always was taught, if you're going to cite information, you need sources. Unfortunately, I have a feeling any sources that my be cited are going to be from filtered information sites.

Do you need to buy more than one handgun per month? The nerve!!

He voted against a bill that would protect innocent people from lawsuits if they violate local weapons bans in cases of self-defense.

Again, you're gonna have to do better than that.

Barack Obama quote: "I believe in keeping guns out of our inner cities, and that our leaders must say so in the face of the gun manfuacturer’s lobby." (in other words, where you live decides whether or not you have a right to self defense)

Do you think guns in the inner cities are a good thing? Do you live in an area that is deemed an "inner city?" Most importantly, you're skewing the man's words.

Barack Obama quote: "I think it is a scandal that this president (meaning Bush) did not authorize a renewal of the assault weapons ban."

What's your point?

Require manufacturers to provide child-safety locks with firearms.

What an animal!!!



At the end of the day, restrictions on guns aren't the removal of all guns. If one thing should have restrictions placed on them, it's guns. And no, don't reguritate the NRA line of "what's next, you gonna tell me I can't eat cheeseburgers" because retrictions are necessary on certain items- think alcohol and cigarettes.

This thread alone shows he's not the gun hating lib the NRA wants you to belive he is.

[wtnhunt]

I do believe there may just be hope for you yet Eric.

Most of that information is readily available for anyone willing to look and pretty easily checked out. I don't know what you will consider to be a "reliable source", but factcheck.org can be used to verify some of what Mike posted. Not going to waste my time providing links for you, have already been down that road.

[Adjam5]

No surprise. I recall a few weeks ago someone was educated as to what a machine gun was and what was a rifle that functioned just like many other hunting rifles. We never heard from that person again on that topic
Here is some news right from the Realtree tree.
Maybe this is what is called believable, but then again, anything that certain individuals don't believe in is called spinning and misinterpreted.

http://www.realtree.com/community/ne...m+the+Treeline

Also here is some more news on this subject that is NOT from the NRA.
http://gunowners.org/a021009.htm