The real and underlining reason Kerry isn't fit

[ParrotHead]

For those that didn't see the interview with Sawyer this morning. Diane asked about the "I voted for it before I voted against it" and the response given my Kerry should be the real and only reason you shouldn't vote for the man.

Kerry stated that he indeed say that, it was wrong but.....and here it is folks......he was tired, it was a late night speech and he was exhausted.

For all those that don't know, this speech was held at and late late late hour of NOON! That's 12:00 in the middle of the day for those that don't know what noon is.

So what's the real reason you shouldn't vote for Kerry? No, it's not the flip-flops, it's not the "take a different stance every day" attack.......no it's not all that.......it's the man can't tell night from day!

[carbonhunter]

actually ive added another reason i wont vote for kerry, just by watching 15 minutes, he has no respect for our troops, none what-so-ever. thats sick in my mind, i will bash anyone i like and if its bush so be it, but you'll never hear anything bad about troops, they volunteer to give there lives and politicians use them like puppets, they should be shot on those grounds alone.

[johnf]

So tell us how you really feel carbonhunter. Don't beat around the bush so much

[Mathews XT Man]

WRONG!!!!....It was the "middle" of the day when he was interviewed!! He cant even get his lies right!

[slugshooter]

I don't think that all soldiers hate Bush, just like all soldiers don't hate Kerry.

[carbonhunter]

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They estimate that 95% of our armed forces support Bush.And I don't believe for a minute that any soldiers came up to Kerry in the airport and said any such thing as we need your help Mr. Kerry I think it was just more of his lies.

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My buddie returned from advanced training tonight (national guard), we just had this very conversation, he said 75% of his class was voting kerry.

[wtnhunt]

That is really kind of surprising Aaron. Not to take anything away from them, but the national guard may have a different outlook than other branches of service. I have worked with a few national guardsman who drew their checks and from my opinion by the way they talked about it they really seemed to think it was pretty easy money, and that they would likely never be called up for any serious duty.

Seems that all the members in here that are currently active in the service, some of who have been to Iraq more than once, all support our commander in chief. I have not seen or heard of any Kerry supporters among any of our forum members who are active in the military. Have heard and read many stories about soldiers that support this war. That kind of says something to me.

[Elwood]

Good response WNThunt,
You almost hit the nail on the head. Most of todays reserve and guard troops are joining the service for the benefits they recieve when they sign up. Before someone jumps on my back, there are plenty of troops that join for the right reasons. The next thing they know is that a war is going on and their ticket is called. Oh crap, I wanted a free education off of the government and don't want to have to pay it back. IMHO, tough crap, you raised your hand, you took the pay/bennifits, now go and support your country that is paying you and for all of the training that you are recieving. I am in the reserves and personnally interview each individual that wants to join my shop. I will tell them up front that we could deploy in a moments notice and if they are not with me then find another unit because I need someone who will hit the ground running by my side. I can see why some are in support of J. Kerry instead of their country. W all the way. 99.5% of the dedicated military will back Bush. So, I do not think that it is Guard or Reserves, but rather people that signed up for the benefits and not for the service of their country.

Elwood

[carbonhunter]

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Good response WNThunt,
You almost hit the nail on the head. Most of todays reserve and guard troops are joining the service for the benefits they recieve when they sign up. Before someone jumps on my back, there are plenty of troops that join for the right reasons. The next thing they know is that a war is going on and their ticket is called. Oh crap, I wanted a free education off of the government and don't want to have to pay it back. IMHO, tough crap, you raised your hand, you took the pay/bennifits, now go and support your country that is paying you and for all of the training that you are recieving. I am in the reserves and personnally interview each individual that wants to join my shop. I will tell them up front that we could deploy in a moments notice and if they are not with me then find another unit because I need someone who will hit the ground running by my side. I can see why some are in support of J. Kerry instead of their country. W all the way. 99.5% of the dedicated military will back Bush. So, I do not think that it is Guard or Reserves, but rather people that signed up for the benefits and not for the service of their country.

Elwood

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nice elwood, well said.

[oldksnarc]

I find it surprising that anyone in the guard or reserves would support Kerry after disparaging that kind of service the way he did. During the beginning of the "military service" height of the campaign, Bush was attacked for serving in the guard to avoid military service and to avoid going to Vietnam. He also made it sound like only rich boys get into the guard and reserves and that special strings had to be pulled to get in.

But, I guess if you joined solely for the benefits and don't want the duty that goes with it, you probably would want Kerry instead of Bush. However, as a service member I don't think you'd want a president that would have you serve under U.N. commanders rather than U.S. commanders.

[wtnhunt]

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Oh crap, I wanted a free education off of the government and don't want to have to pay it back. IMHO, tough crap, you raised your hand, you took the pay/bennifits, now go and support your country that is paying you and for all of the training that you are recieving.

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Feel the same way elwood. Some people just dont seem to understand what it is they are getting into and seem to want to take advantage of the benefits. IMHO if you sign up, you better be ready to go when called. Dont whine about it because your country needs you and you thought you would have a free ride.

[slugshooter]

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Oh crap, I wanted a free education off of the government and don't want to have to pay it back. IMHO, tough crap, you raised your hand, you took the pay/bennifits, now go and support your country that is paying you and for all of the training that you are recieving.

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Feel the same way elwood. Some people just dont seem to understand what it is they are getting into and seem to want to take advantage of the benefits. IMHO if you sign up, you better be ready to go when called. Dont whine about it because your country needs you and you thought you would have a free ride.

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It's not just Guard and Reserve, it's Active Duty also, I know when I was in Basic there was a numner of guys that were in only for the Education benefits, and chose jobs that they didn't think was at risk for sending them into combat. Not combat like the Army or Marines, but having to go into war zones and support operations. There was one guy who was going into some type of computer field in the Air Force and he didn't think he would have to serve in a war zone if required. I knew where my job would take me. I was in Air Transportation, and these guys need to get their equipment, bombs going off alongside the flightline or not.

[wtnhunt]

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It's not just Guard and Reserve, it's Active Duty also, I know when I was in Basic there was a numner of guys that were in only for the Education benefits, and chose jobs that they didn't think was at risk for sending them into combat.

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Got news for them. They signed up, they better expect to go!!!

I failed my physical due to a heart murmur at the meps station in Memphis and was not able to get into the air force back in 1992. The school thing was great and I would have had some great opportunites, but I knew whatever job I picked that there was some possibilty I could possibly see active duty and could potentially be in harms way. I honestly dont think that recruiters tell you that "if you take this particular job" you will never end up in combat. Maybe wrong, but dont think it works that way. To think you are somehow exempt by taking a specific job seems pretty naive to me.

[slugshooter]

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Carbon,Nothing against you but to put it bluntly "I THINK YOUR FRIEND IS A LIAR"

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That's a pretty harsh statement, since you know neither of them. Not all military members are for Bush, not all are for Kerry, heck, God forbid some of them might even vote for Ralph Nader. Maybe his buddies class had 4 people in it and 3 of them were for Kerry, maybe it had 100 and 75 were for Kerry, regardless of class size, it is unfair to call someone a liar when you have no knowledge of the situation. Maybe it seemed like 75% and was only 70%, or 65%, who cares. The fact remains that most of his class is for Kerry, just like when I was in the Air Force, most of the guys in the shop I worked for were for Clinton, cause they felt that Dole would have us in a war if elected, which, at the time, I was a Republican and hated Clinton, my how times change.

[wtnhunt]

Would be really interesting to see a statistic on how many members of our armed force, broken down by branch and area of the country those men/women are from, actually support our commander in chief. Bet the number for all those branches aside from the guard would be pretty high in support. Seems to be a trend in people I have talked with and people in here who are active duty that do in fact support our leader in making our country safer and more secure.