OH NO!!

[lilcrackshot]

I heard they outlawed guns in San Francisco. Is it true and how can we stop it?

[mossyhorn]

Noway....is it all guns or just getting a permit to carry.

[popgun]

It's true.
It was a city ordinance that actually passed.
Since then enforcement of the ordinance has been delayed until further legal study is done on the legality of the ordinance.
I'll try to find the link. I think there was something new on it just today.
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[mossyhorn]

And so it begins.

[popgun]

Text of Proposition H

Wednesday, August 31, 2005
Ordinance Text and Description
Proposition H
Be it ordained by the People of the City and County of San Francisco:
Section 1. Findings
The people of the City and County of San Francisco hereby find and declare:
Handgun violence is a serious problem in San Francisco. According to a San Francisco Department of Public Health report published in 2002, 176 handgun incidents in San Francisco affected 213 victims in 1999, the last year for which data is available. Only 26.8% of firearms were recovered. Of all firearms used to cause injury or death, 67% were handguns.
San Franciscans have a right to live in a safe and secure City. The presence of handguns poses a significant threat to the safety of San Franciscans.
It is not the intent of the people of the City and County of San Francisco to affect any resident of other jurisdictions with regard to handgun possession, including those who may temporarily be within the boundaries of the City and County.
Article XI of the California Constitution provides Charter created counties with the "home rule" power. This power allows counties to enact laws that exclusively apply to residents within their borders, even when such a law conflicts with state law or when state law is silent. San Francisco adopted its most recent comprehensive Charter revision in 1996.
Since it is not the intent of the people of the City and County of San Francisco to impose an undue burden on inter-county commerce and transit, the provisions of Section 3 apply exclusively to residents of the City and County of San Francisco.
Section 2. Ban on Sale, Manufacture, Transfer or Distribution of Firearms in the City and County of San Francisco
Within the limits of the City and County of San Francisco, the sale, distribution, transfer and manufacture of all firearms and ammunition shall be prohibited.
Section 3. Limiting Handgun Possession in the City and County of San Francisco
Within the limits of the City and County of San Francisco, no resident of the City and County of San Francisco shall possess any handgun unless required for professional purposes, as enumerated herein. Specifically, any City, state or federal employee carrying out the functions of his or her government employment, including but not limited to peace officers as defined by California Penal Code Section 830 et.seq. and animal control officers may possess a handgun. Active members of the United States armed forces or the National Guard and security guards, regularly employed and compensated by a person engaged in any lawful business, while actually employed and engaged in protecting and preserving property or life within the scope of his or her employment, may also possess handguns.
Within 90 days from the effective date of this section, any resident of the City and County of San Francisco may surrender his or her handgun at any district station of the San Francisco Police Department, or to the San Francisco Sheriff's Department without penalty under this section.
During the debate on semi-auto rifles, former San Francisco Mayor Diane Feinstein said if it was up to her she would ban their possession completely: "Mr. And Mrs. America, turn them in." With Prop H, her hometown is looking to do this with handguns. If Prop H passes, handgun owners will have until January 1, 2006 to dispose of their firearms by sale or transfer to someone outside of San Francisco. After that, all handguns will be illegal. The ordinance does give handgun owners 90 days to turn them in without criminal penalties, but no other method of disposing of a handgun is provided for under the ordinance after its effective date, and no compensation is provided for.
Section 4. Effective Date This ordinance shall become effective January 1, 2006.
Section 5. Penalties
Within 90 days of the effective date of this section, the Board of Supervisors shall enact penalties for violations of this ordinance. The Mayor, after consultation with the District Attorney, Sheriff and Chief of Police shall, within 30 days from the effective date, provide recommendations about penalties to the Board.
Section 6. State Law
Nothing in this ordinance is designed to duplicate or conflict with California state law. Accordingly, any person currently denied the privilege of possessing a handgun under state law shall not be covered by this ordinance, but shall be covered by the California state law which denies that privilege. Nothing in this ordinance shall be construed to create or require any local license or registration for any firearm, or create an additional class of citizens who must seek licensing or registration.
Section 7. Severability
If any provision of this ordinance or the application thereof to any person or circumstances is held invalid or unconstitutional, such invalidity or unconstitutionality shall not affect other provisions or applications or this ordinance which can be given effect without the invalid or unconstitutional provision or application. To this end, the provisions of this ordinance shall be deemed severable.
Section 8. Amendment
By a two-thirds vote and upon making findings, the Board of Supervisors may amend this ordinance in the furtherance of reducing handgun violence.
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San Francisco Backs Off--For Now

Friday, December 23, 2005
Bowing to pressure from NRA and law-abiding firearm owners, the City of San Francisco has agreed to postpone enforcement of the provision of Prop H that bans the sale or transfer of any firearm or ammunition until March 1, 2006. The handgun possession ban provision of Prop H does not goes into effect until April 1, 2006. Residents of San Francisco have until then to get their guns out of the city or turn them in to police without compensation.
In the interim, the NRA lawsuit challenging the ordinance will be filed in the San Francisco Superior Court. NRA had previously filed suit in the Court of Appeals on November 9, but the Court declined to exercise jurisdiction until the Superior Court had heard the matter. The hearing date on NRA's motion to invalidate the entire ordinance has been tentatively scheduled for February 15, 2006, in San Francisco Superior Court.
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I still think there is something more recent on this.
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[stevebeilgard]

just another reason to dislike san fran

[HarvDog]

[ QUOTE ]
I still think there is something more recent on this.
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[/ QUOTE ]

Here's the latest I could find.

[HitRmisS]

I would like to see someone try to take my guns, all i can say is they better bring more than i have and plenty of ammo

[BowJoe]

Was that Proposition H or Preparation H?

[ZooBear]

[ QUOTE ]
I would like to see someone try to take my guns, all i can say is they better bring more than i have and plenty of ammo

[/ QUOTE ]

Trust me, they will!
Ask Randy Weaver!

[MUDRUNNER]

So if this passes they think all the criminals will just turn over their guns?
That aint gonna happen.
The people this will hurt is law abiding gun owners.
What a bunch of whackos.

[BoDice]

Now you know why I say....

If you don't belong to some kind of organization that is trying to keep "your" guns; then your part of the problem!!!! NRA, 2nd Amendmnet Foundation, etc.

I don't care how many of you say... "I wish they would take my guns..." because they will !!!

Sooner or later we'll be faced with the prospect!!!
Give up my guns or be a felon!! It will come down to it one day folks! If you don't believe it...

Ask Buckee! Australia did it....Canada did it....
So can America!!! Our beloved country will stick you in the *** and say... "turn in your guns".

BTW this thread will probably end up in the political forum. "BE Good! " Bo ...

[mossyhorn]

[ QUOTE ]
So if this passes they think all the criminals will just turn over their guns?

[/ QUOTE ]

I know they won't because it will be hard enough for them to get mine. I know of a certain gun safe that will be burried for a few years.

[RangerClay]

[ QUOTE ]
Now you know why I say....

If you don't belong to some kind of organization that is trying to keep "your" guns; then your part of the problem!!!! NRA, 2nd Amendmnet Foundation, etc.

I don't care how many of you say... "I wish they would take my guns..." because they will !!!

Sooner or later we'll be faced with the prospect!!!
Give up my guns or be a felon!! It will come down to it one day folks! If you don't believe it...

Ask Buckee! Australia did it....Canada did it....
So can America!!! Our beloved country will stick you in the *** and say... "turn in your guns".

BTW this thread will probably end up in the political forum. "BE Good! " Bo ...

[/ QUOTE ]

Well said Bo!!!!!

Ranger

[lilcrackshot]

[ QUOTE ]
I would like to see someone try to take my guns, all i can say is they better bring more than i have and plenty of ammo

[/ QUOTE ]
Amen and they'll have to contend with my pitbull breeding business.